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by Kapyong
Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who existed ? When ? Where ?
Replies: 287
Views: 233970

Re: Who existed ? When ? Where ?

Gday, Not too long ago, you accepted my dating. Now you are running away to the 2nd century because of possibilities and arguments from silence. Cordially, Bernard Running away ? Actually, I have changed my mind about the level of certainty of these documents. I haven't fixed on the 2nd C. but simpl...
by Kapyong
Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who existed ? When ? Where ?
Replies: 287
Views: 233970

Re: Who existed ? When ? Where ?

Gday, That's not my new pet theory or anything, it's just a measure of how undecisive is the evidence. Asking bigger and better questions. It is a measure that anybody can write anything to support his/her agenda, even if the evidence is slim in favor & large against. My agenda ? Does everyone w...
by Kapyong
Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who existed ? When ? Where ?
Replies: 287
Views: 233970

Re: Who existed ? When ? Where ?

I could fairly ask Bernard - Considering our historical evidence is only second century, why do you insist it be placed in the first century ? Just because the story is set in the first, and Christians believed it to be from the first century ? Anything else ? Regarding the gospels, the internal ev...
by Kapyong
Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who existed ? When ? Where ?
Replies: 287
Views: 233970

Re: Who existed ? When ? Where ?

Gday all, The current Pauline canon is very unlikely to represent what Paul himself originally wrote given the theological battles over his letters in the second century. Yes, even the good letters are sometimes a confused mish-mash of sections. (It also remains possible that the name "Paul&quo...
by Kapyong
Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who existed ? When ? Where ?
Replies: 287
Views: 233970

Re: Who existed ? When ? Where ?

Gday all, "although it is not impossible that a gospel existed before the middle of the second century, there is simply not even the slightest shred of evidence for any written gospel prior to that time" (322). This critical fact should be uppermost in our minds when asking the big questio...
by Kapyong
Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who existed ? When ? Where ?
Replies: 287
Views: 233970

Re: Who existed ? When ? Where ?

From Mythicist Papers :

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by Kapyong
Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who existed ? When ? Where ?
Replies: 287
Views: 233970

Re: Who existed ? When ? Where ?

Gday, Have a look at what Markus Vinzent, Matthias Klinghardt, Jason BeDuhn, and Jospeh B Tyson have had to say. Thanks, I found handy diagrams of Vinzent's and Klinghardt's views : (From Rene Salm's Mythicist papers.) Klinghardt : http://www.mythicistpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Klinghardt...
by Kapyong
Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who existed ? When ? Where ?
Replies: 287
Views: 233970

Re: Who existed ? When ? Where ?

Gday, And don't forget Thomas Brodie who revives(?) the idea that Paul was the name used by a "school" of writers. There was no individual. (Rosenmeyer in "Ancient Epistolary Fictions" demonstrates that letter writing was a schooled literary craft and authors were taught to add f...
by Kapyong
Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who existed ? When ? Where ?
Replies: 287
Views: 233970

Re: Who existed ? When ? Where ?

Gday, I just dipped into some Robert M. Price, Rene Salm, and WC van Manen. It's possible that the Marcionites were the mid 2nd C. source of most of the NT ! How fascinating. Kapyong, it is fascinating to see you changing your mind so quickly by just dipping in the writings of modern writers. And th...
by Kapyong
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who existed ? When ? Where ?
Replies: 287
Views: 233970

Re: Who existed ? When ? Where ?

Whoa. It's down the rabbit hole I go again. Except this time it is Paul's existence that is in doubt - something I had not really considered properly, just assumed rather like Jesus. I just dipped into some Robert M. Price, Rene Salm, and WC van Manen. It's possible that the Marcionites were the mid...