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by Kapyong
Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On dating the Gospels late e.g. 120CE
Replies: 600
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Dating modified by Bernard

Gday all, Thanks Bernard for that response and those details :) For my next experiment I will go with your dating and put it under scrutiny and see if it has any self-contradictions etc. So I changed my datings in line with your comments, sometimes I had to interpret a little. The only license I too...
by Kapyong
Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On dating the Gospels late e.g. 120CE
Replies: 600
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A mainstream dating

Gday all, Well, that was fun :) Here now is a more mainstream chronology : 50s Paul : 1Thess., 1&2 Cor., Gal. Rom. Phill, Phil. 66 Hebrews, mentions some Jesus Stories 70 G.Mark 80s Colossians, 1 John, James 80s G.Matthew, G.Luke & Acts 90s Clement, Eph., 2 Thess., 1 Peter 90-100 Didache 100...
by Kapyong
Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On dating the Gospels late e.g. 120CE
Replies: 600
Views: 272179

An experiment that failed ...

Gday, Hi ya Kap. Question. You have the composition of the first Gospel at 120. ... I see no mention of Luke or Matthew. I do realize its hard to place an actual date on any of this but would not the Gospels of Luke and Matthew fit into your equation? My experimental dating has evolved considerably ...
by Kapyong
Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On dating the Gospels late e.g. 120CE
Replies: 600
Views: 272179

Re: On dating the Gospels late e.g. 120CE

Gday all, Pauline-texts, or pre-Pauline texts, and pre-synoptic-gospel texts, could have been written before 70 CE , and modified to include or refer to ~70 CE events; and then be further modified/redacted in subsequent generations or centuries, as proposed above. Quite possible - How dangerous! Tha...
by Kapyong
Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On dating the Gospels late e.g. 120CE
Replies: 600
Views: 272179

Re: On dating the Gospels late e.g. 120CE

Gday, It seems there was lots of scriptures, texts, epistles (or whatever) that were 'modified'/redacted; and these modifications were later 'modified'/redacted - it all seems to be layer-upon-layer-upon-layer: 'cumulative elaboration' . I think that is the answer to many a problem - and it's hardly...
by Kapyong
Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On dating the Gospels late e.g. 120CE
Replies: 600
Views: 272179

Thread summary so far

Gday all, So here is a summary of where we stand from a broad-brush view. Initially, I started an thread trying deliberately to put the Gospel as LATE as possible. There is much opposition to this idea - especially internal evidence. Secondly, Blood put Paul LATE : c 125 Apostolikon of Marcionites c...
by Kapyong
Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On dating the Gospels late e.g. 120CE
Replies: 600
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Re: On dating the Gospels late e.g. 120CE

Gday Stephan, You've covered some ground since yesterday, here I am just summarising your points : There is no evidence I know of which could be used to suggest that the Marcionites thought Paul or the apostles was written in any period after 70 CE. .. But the bottom line is that a date of sometime ...
by Kapyong
Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On dating the Gospels late e.g. 120CE
Replies: 600
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Hello Gospels and Goodbye Epistles

Gday all, Here is a stupid idea. Could evangelic and apostolic have something to do with 'coming' and 'going' in the original canon? ... We can see Philo use the verb εὐαγγελίζομαι - to bring glad tidings - throughout his writings. For instance the rising of the seven stars of the Pleiades are said ...
by Kapyong
Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On dating the Gospels late e.g. 120CE
Replies: 600
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Re: On dating the Gospels late e.g. 120CE

Gday, Hi Kapyong... before I chime in on Aristides let me ask you this... how would you rate your familiarity with Greek and Latin? I can only read Greek letters (fairly well), but know only a few words - when it comes to the Greek I usually resort to on online Interlinear Greek Version : http://www...
by Kapyong
Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On dating the Gospels late e.g. 120CE
Replies: 600
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Aristides on the Gospel being new in 138-161

Gday all, One of the clues to Gospel datings which has always puzzled me, but seems to get little attention, is Aristides. The Christians, then, trace the beginning of their religion from Jesus the Messiah; and he is named the Son of God Most High. And it is said that God came down from heaven, and ...