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Gday Stephan, So when I am told that he was subsequently promoted by our Lord, by now at rest in heaven (Evans) I find it hard to believe that iam could be used to describe an action that took place a hundred years earlier as it means = now, by now, already / presently, immediately, soon. The sense ...

Gday, Yes, of course. I assume the works of Josephus are dated according to the traditional consensus. BJ ~ circa 75AD AJ ~ circa 94AD Vita ~ circa 99AD In terms of Christian literature: Didache ~ source: pre-Christian, extended: Domitian, revised: Trajan. Barnabas ~ source: pre-Christian, extended:...

Gday theomise, Authentic Paul: Claudius & Nero - 41-68 1 Clement: pre-Domitian - before 81 Hebrews: pre-Domitian - before 81 Deutero-Paul: Domitian - 81- 96 Pastoral-Paul: Hadrian - 117-138 I am generally happy with those dates. Perhaps you could repost your table with those dates like so. Also,...

Gday, Here's the rough model I currently operate under: ... Death of Nero to death of Trajan (68-117) - Josephus - Revelation - Didache - Hebrews, Colossians, Ephesians - 1 Clement - James - Shepherd of Hermas - Barnabas - 'authentic core' of Gospel of Mark* Seems mostly mainstream - some items can ...

Gday, Here's the rough model I currently operate under: Death of Tiberius to death of Nero (37-68) - various Jewish-Christian apocrypha - 'authentic core' of Pauline letters (?) Perhaps you could expand your apocrypha and add dates ? I'd love to see some books dated to the decade or two to see how w...

Gday, I point out that Hebrews has little about Jesus, in common with many other epistles as you note, but the reason I date it early is like Carrier - it assumes Temple sacrifice is still going on - no mention of the Temple Sacrifice Cult [ending]. This places it before 70CE. Carrier says 66. But t...

Gday Blood, Now let's be clear - you're arguing that the Marcionites wrote the Apostolikon around the 120s ? Yes. I see - is that what is called Marcionitism ? The basic idea is that the ten letters originated with the Marcion Church in the second century before Luke-Acts was written. Luke-Acts was ...

Gday theomise, Here's the rough model I currently operate under: Thanks for posting your timeline, it can only help to elucidate matters by seeing different views :) A couple of quick comments before I delve in - firstly - you seem to have missed Hadrian (between Trajan and Pius) 117-138 - instead y...

Gday Neil, If I were going to date it late I'd go for the mid 130s earliest on the strength of the Mark 13 match with the events of Hadrian's time. I don't buy the mind-reading arguments that claim to know what the author was thinking and what he wanted to avoid. All the imagery in Mark 13 is identi...

Gday MrMacSon, "you don't have Paul and the pseudo-Pauls" Yes I do. The Apostolikon is the Pauline epistles and pseudo-Paul are the Pastorals which I have in the list. the Apostolikon is the Marcion Canon (of 6(?) Pauline epistles) The Apostolikon was apparently ten letters of Paul - what ...