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by maryhelena
Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:58 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ehrman's "How Jesus Became a God" is now out.
Replies: 169
Views: 124773

Re: Ehrman's "How Jesus Became a God" is now out.

I didn't xerox the article, so I can only go by what I remember. Elitzur does a calculation to come up with an age of about 25 at death for Mattathias. I don't remember where Elitzur gets a birth year. I don't see anything in Josephus about how old the child was when Pompey took him to Rome in 63. ...
by maryhelena
Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ehrman's "How Jesus Became a God" is now out.
Replies: 169
Views: 124773

Re: Ehrman's "How Jesus Became a God" is now out.

Thanks, David, for the history summary. This Abba Cave topic is interesting, in and of itself. It only came up on this thread because two writers are using it against Ehrman's argument re no tomb for the crucified JC. Quotes below: To counter Ehrman’s argument (and Crossan) one of the authors of “Ho...
by maryhelena
Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ehrman's "How Jesus Became a God" is now out.
Replies: 169
Views: 124773

Re: Ehrman's "How Jesus Became a God" is now out.

I didn't xerox the article, so I can only go by what I remember. Elitzur does a calculation to come up with an age of about 25 at death for Mattathias. I don't remember where Elitzur gets a birth year. I don't see anything in Josephus about how old the child was when Pompey took him to Rome in 63. ...
by maryhelena
Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ehrman's "How Jesus Became a God" is now out.
Replies: 169
Views: 124773

Re: Ehrman's "How Jesus Became a God" is now out.

Hi Maryhelena, I'm at my other library w/ IEJ in hand. Most of what's in Elitzur's article is already reported in earlier posts on here. He makes a fascinating case but does not remove my doubt because, p. 92 n. 14, he reports two conversations he had with Patricia Smith in 2012. She insists that s...
by maryhelena
Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: DSS Teacher of Righteousness and the Josephan James
Replies: 9
Views: 10042

Re: DSS Teacher of Righteousness and the Josephan James

By the term "the Josephan writer" do you mean Flavius Josephus? Is this a backhanded way of suggesting that his works were authored by someone else, or maybe by a group of people? The Josephan writer? "Josephus" - could be a pseudonym. The writer has already changed his name onc...
by maryhelena
Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: DSS Teacher of Righteousness and the Josephan James
Replies: 9
Views: 10042

DSS Teacher of Righteousness and the Josephan James

In a previous thread ( Doudna: Antigonus: Wicked Priest hung up alive on a cross ) I made reference to a view that I have proposed a number of times on this forum and on FRDB. My position that the execution of the last King and High Priest of the Jews, the Hasmonean Antigonus II, was used by the gos...
by maryhelena
Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ehrman's "How Jesus Became a God" is now out.
Replies: 169
Views: 124773

Re: Ehrman's "How Jesus Became a God" is now out.

ficino wrote:
The issue in question (IEJ 63.1, p. 87ff) is not on the shelf in Periodicals. Whenever I get to the other library I usually use, I'll see if it's there. sorry, F
Thanks for trying......
by maryhelena
Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ehrman's "How Jesus Became a God" is now out.
Replies: 169
Views: 124773

Re: Ehrman's "How Jesus Became a God" is now out.

I have not been able to get a copy of the article by Yoel Elitzur. However, I did find, on the Bible and Interpretation, site a new article on the Abba Cave by Joe Zias A Jerusalem tomb, ‘blind leading the blind’ or just another Day in Paradise? http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/2014/04/zia388008...
by maryhelena
Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Doudna: Antigonus: Wicked Priest hung up alive on a cross
Replies: 57
Views: 48143

Re: Doudna: Antigonus: Wicked Priest hung up alive on a cros

MH, I am finding the political history of the period between Alexandra Salome (widow of Alexander Janneus) to be very hard to fit together. The WIKI articles are so fragmented and use such stilted language and rely so heavily on secondary sources that they are virtually useless. The intensity of th...
by maryhelena
Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Doudna: Antigonus: Wicked Priest hung up alive on a cross
Replies: 57
Views: 48143

Re: Doudna: Antigonus: Wicked Priest hung up alive on a cros

In fact, what really is that Josephan writer claiming with his name: Joseph ben Matityahu. Is he claiming decent from Antigonus II Mattathias (known in Hebrew as Matityahu) ?? If this is so, then are we not dealing with, in the Josephan writings, a retelling of Hasmonean history alongside later Her...