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- Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:57 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Codex Boernerianus and Romans 1.1b-5a.
- Replies: 35
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Re: Codex Boernerianus and Romans 1.1b-5a.
If you number the passage as follows.... You have divided the passage into discreet sense units, each one a coherent phrase or clause on its own. If you work only with sense units, then of course a lot of combinations are going to make sense. But the other lacunae in Boernerianus do not retain comp...
- Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:58 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Codex Boernerianus and Romans 1.1b-5a.
- Replies: 35
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Re: Codex Boernerianus and Romans 1.1b-5a.
In the case of Romans it may be accidental, as well; if so, then the fact that the syntax works would be just a coincidence. Just as the relevance/importance of a chiasm requires further examination of the context and of the overall usage of chiasms, the same applies to passages that make sense whe...
- Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:28 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 1 Cor 15:1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel
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1 Cor 15:1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, Where does he do that, if not 3-11? If the answer is in verse 12 12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead - that is he i...
- Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:24 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again
- Replies: 200
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Re: The structure without 3-11
But Paul doesn't say anything about Christ being subjected to death in 20-23. It may be inferred, but it isn't stated. Paul's focus there is on the resurrection and the fact that Christ's was first. Christ was subjected to death by... dying, which is clearly there: "death came through a human ...
- Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:36 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again
- Replies: 200
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Re: The structure without 3-11
Third, I disagree with labeling your second 'position of Christ' as such. The first 'position of Christ' really is pertaining to the resurrection. The second is pertaining to the 'subjection' issue. It is a conclusion to that section. It makes more sense to recognize that the subjection TO Christ a...
- Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:01 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again
- Replies: 200
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Re: The structure without 3-11
Spin, I see 2 main problems with your alleged chiasm. First, the destruction of death is just the final one, and it is followed with a scripture to support it. I see no need to break it out. Doing so makes it look more impressive than it really is. Your DED is more reasonably just one section D. Sec...
- Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:33 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again
- Replies: 200
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The structure without 3-11
This is the structure, as I see it, without 3-11, ABCDDBA. I think this is a more accurate representation than in the OP. It has some problems as far as a chiasm goes: The first part of 'A' - the promise of stating what the gospel they had recieved was, was poorly addressed - meaning that the second...
- Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:59 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again
- Replies: 200
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Re: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again
See the five points I posted here above. But those don't address the idea that Robert has that there is a NEED for something more: Paul and his amanuensis decided that the very critical issue of resurrection needed a stronger argument, more force, more evidence. So the original authors constructed ...
- Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:45 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again
- Replies: 200
- Views: 162016
Re: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again
to TedM, This may be, but I would not call the description in 3-11 as 'well evidenced and fully accepted'. At the 'miracle of the sun' in Fatima, Portugal 1917, it is said that over 70,000 people saw the sun do unusual things, and a message from an angel was supposedly received by little Saint Luci...
- Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:41 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again
- Replies: 200
- Views: 162016
Re: 1 Cor 15:3-11 once again
Well, I am disappointed, but we all have different perspectives.