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to rgprice,
I made the correction: the quote is from Origen, in Against Celsus, book IV, ch. XVIII.

Cordially, Bernard

to rgprice, It looks Tertullian Origen, in Against Celsus, book IV, ch. XVIII, quoted Philippians 2:5-11 as evidence for God bringing a Savior to the human race, implying pre-existence: And if it be alleged that it suffers anything from the body when united with it, or from the place to which it has...

to Giuseppe, I disagree on this. An earthly crucifixion would be ipso facto conceived as a Roman crucifixion (hence easily used by apologists - I consider Ben one for that matter - as a kind of Trojan Horse of historicity?). Ben did not say that: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3379&p=74902&hilit=tr...

to Giuseppe, The passion of Christ was similar to the passion of the Æon. Not true: the passion of Christ was neither similar to the passion of the Æon, That's the opposite of what you think being too much evident. Definition for "neither": used before the first of two (or occasionally mor...

To Giuseppe, Additional evidence that the crucifixion was in outer space is also found in 1 Peter 1:20: He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake ....that has to be interpreted so: He was chosen to be crucified before the creation of the world...

to Giuseppe, Even they themselves acknowledge that it was the suffering Christ, and not Judas, who came to [the endurance of] passion. How, then, could Judas, the betrayer of Him who had to suffer for our salvation, be the type and image of that Æon who suffered ? But, in truth, the passion of Chris...

to Giuseppe, As for Soter (Jesus), he remained in Christ to the last, impassible, incapable of injury, incapable of apprehension. By and by, when it came to a question of capture, he departed from him during the examination before Pilate. In like manner, his mother's seed did not admit of being inju...

to Cora, As far as I know the Nazarenes/aeans were first reported about in the 4 th century, by Epiphanius, and then by Jerome. Nazorean(s) (root: Ναζωραῖος nazōraios) appears in Mt 2:23; 26:71, Lk 18:37, Jn 18:5; 18:7; 19:19 and Acts 2:22; 3:6; 4:10; 6:14; 22:8; 24:5; 26:9 Acts 24:5: For finding th...

to Cora, The 4 gospels first were mentioned in 185, by Irenaeus. Even Bart Ehrmann rcognizes this, so why don't you? But Bart Ehrmann wrote (bolding mine): Now we can get to the Gospels and their accounts of Jesus’s death. Our earliest Gospel is Mark’s (written about 70 CE Our final Gospel to be wri...

"" ... so far as we can tell, no letters sent to [Paul] ever asked or tasked him with discussing or mentioning such things. No event in Jesus’ life, no details of Jesus’ life, ever had any relevance to any of the occasional issues he addressed, and no one ever used such events or details ...