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by Bernard Muller
Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?
Replies: 179
Views: 169766

Re: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?

I have second thought about Gal 4:27-30. It might have been in Marcion's Galatians because it fits 4:22-23 and Schmid did not say these verses were missing. If it is the case, then it looks to me the whole of Galatians in Ephrem's Peshitta was drawn out of Marcion's version. How to explain it? Cordi...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?
Replies: 179
Views: 169766

Re: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?

The deletion of Abraham save for one reference is reflected in statements in Tertullian Yes. I knew it and already wrote about in my previous posting: What is interesting, as Tertullian wrote for Marcion's Galatians , all previous passages mentioning Abraham, according to Schmid are deleted. They a...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?
Replies: 179
Views: 169766

Re: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?

I am not sure that "Jerusalem" existed in 4:24-26 in the text reported by Schmid. Actually, I do not think it did. What is interesting, as Tertullian wrote for Marcion's Galatians, all previous passages mentioning Abraham, according to Schmid are deleted. They are Gal 3:6-9, 3:14a, 3:15-18...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Nov 09, 2013 5:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?
Replies: 179
Views: 169766

Re: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?

For 4:26, Van Manem follows Tertullian and probably also Schmid: 26 But [the] other generates above all powers ( power, lordship, and every name that is named not only in this eon, but also in that to come), which is [the] mother of us. Tertullian, "the other gendereth" (to liberty, being ...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?
Replies: 179
Views: 169766

Re: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?

Thanks Stephan. This is what Schmid meant for Gal 4:24 (I think, will consider corrections from you): "Which things are an allegory: for they are two covenants, the one from mount Sinai, for this is the synagogue of the Jews, according to the law, is bondage to this covenant, (which is Agar?).&...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: [Forgery] 2 Corinthians 11:32-33 [/Forgery]
Replies: 92
Views: 92042

Re: [Forgery] 2 Corinthians 11:32-33 [/Forgery]

1) The offending verses interrupt 11:30 as a direct transition to 12:1 Already addressed that: no comment from you. Just like I said nothing about it. And you think removing 11:32-33 does not cause an abrupt transition from potential boasting about Paul's weaknesses and then real boasting about vis...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?
Replies: 179
Views: 169766

Re: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?

Schmid is a class act. He is the authority on Marcion. According to Schmid, verse Gal 4:25 would be missing in Marcion's version. http://books.google.ca/books?id=hneUeDnsA_YC&pg=PA347&dq=schmid+%22Gal+4%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KY1-UueuDOr7iwL4w4C4Ag&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=schm...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?
Replies: 179
Views: 169766

Re: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?

Yes, I found, what I think, is Ephrem's Gal 4:25 on sheet 79, apparently a translation from Syriac to Greek, but the Greek wording is the same as in the canonical letter. :banghead: :confusedsmiley: :consternation:

Cordially, Bernard
by Bernard Muller
Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?
Replies: 179
Views: 169766

Re: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?

Hi Stephan,
I added on my previous post:
See also note 9.
Can anyone, and more so you Stephan, find out what Ephrem translated or commented on Galatians 4:21-27?
Cordially, Bernard
by Bernard Muller
Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?
Replies: 179
Views: 169766

Re: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?

Here is a comment involving Ephrem, Marcion, Tertullian and Galatians: http://books.google.ca/books?id=YLrKmtlpEx8C&pg=PA521&lpg=PA521&dq=ephrem+marcion+galatians&source=bl&ots=a6NyeY3FKQ&sig=AeuQ-XCgDoGFOjnD00rw8PcEIZg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=w2h-UqmsF6WdiQL8moDoBw&red...