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- Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:34 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Does the ʺearthly kingdomʺ hypothesis imply necessarily a historical Jesus?
- Replies: 29
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Re: Does the ʺearthly kingdomʺ hypothesis imply necessarily a historical Jesus?
Quasi in answer to your question, Neil has started a thread about the Book of Revelation being pro-Zealot and anti-Vespasian propaganda. Read in particular the comments of Gmirkin and Doudna on Vridar. Thanks, I'll have a look. Hardly one can deny that Revelation is bloodthirsty, more precisely thi...
- Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:50 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
- Replies: 29
- Views: 8716
Re: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
It escapes me how a Theudas could derive so many people near the Jordan without being a preacher of some kind, i.e. a person who addresses masses by crying a slogan ("Follow me!") or other. If I am correct, Josephus's point again and again is that the rebels, all the rebels, had some soph...
- Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:40 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Question about Earl Doherty's arguments about Christian apologists
- Replies: 10
- Views: 2714
Question about Earl Doherty's arguments about Christian apologists
Inspired in part by my recent reading about why Justin Martyr may have not mentioned Judas, I recently readed again portions from Earl Doherty discussing other second century CE Christian apologists. Doherty claims that several of these men, such as Athenagoras of Athens, wrote lengthy treatises def...
- Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:24 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
- Replies: 29
- Views: 8716
Re: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
Neil, can you ask to Russell about why he writes (see my post above): I think it more appropriate for you to ask him. But as for your point about a rebel leader necessarily being a preacher or teacher, I don't believe that. People can share ideas and commitment to a cause without any of them, not e...
- Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:20 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Development of Christian Apocalyptic traditions compared to the Ghost Dance
- Replies: 0
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The Development of Christian Apocalyptic traditions compared to the Ghost Dance
TL;DR: The Ghost Dance movement, as I understand it, is proof that fundamentally local, non-apocalyptic religious movements can rapidly transform into globally oriented apocalyptic religious movements even when their founders/key figures did not teach such things. As evidence that such a thing is po...
- Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:14 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
- Replies: 294
- Views: 78955
Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
As general comments about my discussion with karavan, I hope that I am not the only one to note the following three things about his claims. 1. With regards to citations, I say that by the standards that karavan has set forth (in which my providing two authors and one book's title about Mahayana Bud...
- Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:58 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
- Replies: 294
- Views: 78955
Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
@ABuddhist. Ah yes, that. Sure, Neil has a few disagreements, though *most* of the time when he disagrees, he just tries to achieve the same conclusion with another method. Doesn't change the fact that he vigilantly defends Carrier not just from anyone, but probably from any THING that would dare g...
- Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:21 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
- Replies: 294
- Views: 78955
Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
"You changed your mind about Neil's relationship with Dr. Carrier is response to the evidence that I provided." What did I change my mind about? Tim O'Neill completely annihilated Carrier's entire career and every single one of his articles about that kook is 100% facts. I also didn't &qu...
- Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:27 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
- Replies: 29
- Views: 8716
Re: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
I forgot to mention: there is room for a historical Jesus in Russell's analysis. A HJ is offered as having some explanatory power for his view of the two witnesses. For what it is worth, Gmirkin and Parvus have together firmly pushed me into the historical Jesus camp (even though I still appreciate...
- Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:33 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why it may be useful to compare the origins of Christianity and Mahayana Buddhism
- Replies: 2
- Views: 950