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by dbz
Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 29267

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

the most obvious interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 is that Paul believed that Jesus had before his death a group of followers The most probable thing that could have happened is that all the brethren in the congregation at that time, riling themselves up into an ecstasy on Pentecost owing to i...
by dbz
Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 29267

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

I think that one should add to the very minimal Jesus being proposed here, the claim that Jesus had a group of followers. Carrier gives the following: [T]hree minimal facts on which historicity rests: An actual man at some point named Jesus acquired followers in life who continued as an identifiabl...
by dbz
Tue Mar 07, 2023 8:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 29267

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

You're turning apologetic, Don. [...] But the choice is not between and HJ or an MJ, the choice is very simple really: there is no evidence for any living Jesus ever having lived, and most certainly there will never be any evidence for someone performing miracles and riding from the dead [...] the ...
by dbz
Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 29267

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

"Scholars Against Jesus Mythicism" . YouTube . History Valley. Nov 11, 2022. Transcript t=48 WALSH >>> [Do you mean] the mythicist position being Jesus never existed? HOST >>> yes WALSH >>> yeah no I think he existed. t=94 STAVRAKOPOULOU >>> I'm kind of radical in a lot of ways but I'm no...
by dbz
Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 29267

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

FWIW: I've never read Carrier Recommended reading, esp . Lataster. Jesus Did Not Exist: A Debate Among Atheists . Carrier, Richard (2014). “Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt: Should We Still Be Looking for a Historical Jesus?” . The Bible and Interpretation . Carrier, Richard (2015).”Foreword” ap....
by dbz
Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 29267

Re: Why GakuseiDon thinks a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

one would expect to find Gospel- like details in the letters of Paul if the NT Jesus was historical (1-2) Since I count Paul’s letters as evidence for historicity in OHJ (on the upper end of my margin of error; I only count them against on the lower margin), losing them would actually reduce the pr...
by dbz
Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 29267

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

GakuseiDon wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:39 pm "Some guy who really lived"...
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by dbz
Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 29267

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

GakuseiDon wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:05 pm ...but with regards to Paul, the answer can only be "yes, one entity" as far as I can see.
  • Yes, one entity, his Lord IS XS index's to the second and/or third-god of Platonism_2.0, i.e. middle-platonism.
by dbz
Mon Mar 06, 2023 5:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 29267

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

Do you think Paul's Jesus was one single entity, or an amalgamation of entities? If the latter, what is the evidence for that? Paul was Hellenized Jewish Sub-Culture engaging in a religious syncretism of the Jewish two powers in heaven with the topmost gods of middle platonism. Greek was his first ...
by dbz
Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 29267

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

PZMyers is a cunning rhetoric, yet not a very smart one: [...] There are all sorts of apologists, but this is a clever one. A sneaky, manipulating, twisting and turning one of course, but still - it beats the dumb loudmouth apologist by a mile The Jesus [Christ] pictured in the Gospels is a myth. I...