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- Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:55 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
- Replies: 233
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Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
It’s the same with the Jesus story, only more so. It was a local story, a small time event that only mattered to a small circle of believers, but it grew over time. Much of the story was dubious, but professional historians could look at the legends that arose over time and infer back to a reasonab...
- Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:51 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
- Replies: 233
- Views: 29267
Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
"If there was a historical Jesus, then he was nothing like the Gospels". And that's fine. A historical Jesus, if one existed, almost certainly wasn't like the Gospel Jesus. Then: "Early Christians like Paul don't refer to Gospel-like events when talking about Jesus, so the lack of Go...
- Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:57 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
- Replies: 233
- Views: 29267
Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
"Which Historical Jesus Makes The Most Sense? Dr. Richard Carrier" . YouTube . I don’t think we are ignoring the possibility the Gospels record oral lore. We simply have no reason to believe it—and every reason to disbelieve it. We’ve moved on. Scholarship needs to join us. Because until ...
- Sun Mar 05, 2023 11:19 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Real Paul
- Replies: 3
- Views: 557
Re: The Real Paul
Was Paul, Hellenized Jewish Sub-Culture per a "Jewish apocalyptic ascent framework"? Cf. Jewish apocalypses: 1 Enoch, 4 Ezra, 2 Baruch and the Christian book of Revelation. Does placing Paul in this literary and historical context confirm his place as an apocalyptic thinker? Was Paul engag...
- Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:34 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Podcast Why Jesus Most Likely Existed, Tim O'Neill
- Replies: 72
- Views: 8184
Re: Podcast Why Jesus Most Likely Existed, Tim O'Neill
If Justin knew 'gospels', I'm not sure we can know what versions or 'editions' he knew. So, I propose use of less 'certain' language about the nature of the 'sources' Justin might have known or used. eg. Less use of the as in avoid ‘the definitive article’ And, where there is 'confluence' or ‘corre...
- Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:59 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Podcast Why Jesus Most Likely Existed, Tim O'Neill
- Replies: 72
- Views: 8184
Re: Podcast Why Jesus Most Likely Existed, Tim O'Neill
FYI searching in a tag: Results will be only posts with the tag justin-martyr and containing the phrase gospel . https://vridar.org/tag/justin-martyr/?s=gospel Josephus, Louis M. Feldman, wrote thirty years earlier, presumably without any conscious awareness of a Christ Myth debate, the following: A...
- Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:57 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Podcast Why Jesus Most Likely Existed, Tim O'Neill
- Replies: 72
- Views: 8184
Re: Podcast Why Jesus Most Likely Existed, Tim O'Neill
“Mythicism Dismantled by Tim O’Neil of History for Atheists | Response to David Fitzgerald” . YouTube . Reason to Doubt. 22 December 2022. “Does THIS Passage Prove Jesus Historically Existed? ft. Tim O’Neill” . YouTube . Godless Engineer. 16 February 2023. Cf. “O’Neill-Fitzgerald Debate” . Vridar ....
- Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:28 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Podcast Why Jesus Most Likely Existed, Tim O'Neill
- Replies: 72
- Views: 8184
Re: Podcast Why Jesus Most Likely Existed, Tim O'Neill
9.10 ... And then imagine that other forms of Christianity arose that believed those stories were true and accepted that there was such a Jesus in the early decades of the first century. And then imagine that the proto-form of Christianity died out and then imagine that the forms of Christianity th...
- Sat Mar 04, 2023 9:26 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Podcast Why Jesus Most Likely Existed, Tim O'Neill
- Replies: 72
- Views: 8184
Re: Podcast Why Jesus Most Likely Existed, Tim O'Neill
Justin tells us that his conversion to Christianity occurred through his reading of the Gospel stories... IMO, the Greek text of Justin is seldom translated in the correct context of Platonism_2.0. All translations from Latin are worthless as are most Greek to English translations. It is possible t...
- Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:46 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Podcast Why Jesus Most Likely Existed, Tim O'Neill
- Replies: 72
- Views: 8184
Re: Podcast Why Jesus Most Likely Existed, Tim O'Neill
The proper question is rather a largely literary question than an historical one. Until we have texts, which bear evidence of his historicity, we can not do much more with that issue. We can and must, however, ask what the texts mean—as well as ask what they mean if they are not historical (a minim...