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by dbz
Tue Jan 03, 2023 12:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The fallacy of the "newspaper reporter's" Jesus
Replies: 55
Views: 3220

Re: The fallacy of the "newspaper reporter's" Jesus

Was Isaiah a historical figure, was Jeremiah - or were they, like Jesus, literary figures created to retell historical events from within a salvation theology or philosophy ? I would suggest that such an approach to the gospel Jesus story has more going for it than simplicity. A possible historical...
by dbz
Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The fallacy of the "newspaper reporter's" Jesus
Replies: 55
Views: 3220

Re: The fallacy of the "newspaper reporter's" Jesus

Take the partake of the sower, the mustard seed, anything from the triple tradition: 80% of what they share is verbatim, 10% has a different tense, a prefix to a verb or a suffix, a different declension - it is all copy paste. Should that datum be catalogued as a topic of the " Intertextual pr...
by dbz
Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The fallacy of the "newspaper reporter's" Jesus
Replies: 55
Views: 3220

Re: The fallacy of the "newspaper reporter's" Jesus

The funny thing is that the title of this thread led me to think that GD was going to be making the opposite case. Because it has long been historicists who have claimed that the Gospel writers were like newspaper reporters. What mainstream "biblical scholars", i.e. theologians, have long...
by dbz
Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Robyn Faith Walsh on the secrecy in Mark
Replies: 9
Views: 1260

Re: Robyn Faith Walsh on the secrecy in Mark

I'm not so sure. Odysseus was consistent in his efforts to hide his identity but Jesus slips up repeatedly. Wrede's thesis explained that inconsistency but the inconsistency is hard to understand if the secrecy was in imitation of Odysseus. Originally second-god kept his identity secret in order to...
by dbz
Mon Jan 02, 2023 3:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why Mark is NOT marcionite
Replies: 52
Views: 7058

Re: Basic reason why Mark is NOT marcionite

Mark's gospel is right-wing anti-Marcionist because it explicitly identifies the Father with the Creator, even where the Matthean parallel doesn't. No other reason is inecessary for seeing the Mk is not Marcionite by any stretch whatsoever. This proves once more the absolute falsity of Markan Prior...
by dbz
Wed Dec 28, 2022 4:14 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: PZ Myers's anti-mythicist censorship
Replies: 6
Views: 817

Re: PZ Myers's anti-mythicist censorship

What is new is only the use of Internet for his diffusion, so really PZ fears the complexity of the Internet more than mythicism. Earl Doherty like Prometheus (who is best known for defying the gods by giving knowledge to humanity) published the magazine article: "The Jesus Puzzle: Part One: A...
by dbz
Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul and the Gospel traditions
Replies: 18
Views: 3124

Re: Paul and the Gospel traditions

No letter of that fictional phantasm named Pazul exists; those abstrusely assigned to one chimerous Paul are all impious forgery and late piecemeal. Naive apologists are notoriouslty unable to see that simple and straightforward truth. Is it possible that some small amount of original material was ...
by dbz
Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul and the Gospel traditions
Replies: 18
Views: 3124

Re: Paul and the Gospel traditions

Paul is one of the most idiosyncratic and mystifying writers in the entire western canon, as such arguments from his silence are entirely specious. No one knows why Paul did or didn't write something. Per "Paul is one of the most idiosyncratic and mystifying writers in the entire western canon...
by dbz
Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: PZ Myers's anti-mythicist censorship
Replies: 6
Views: 817

Re: PZ Myers's anti-mythicist censorship

PZ Myers writes, “…the most reasonable explanation for the start of Christianity, only weirdly deluded fanatics argue otherwise.” @ "I had to say what I think of Jesus Mythicism". Pharyngula . 25 December 2022. The less obvious problem an early date for 1 Clement creates is that it means w...
by dbz
Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark was Marcion's Gospel?
Replies: 7
Views: 807

Re: Mark was Marcion's Gospel?

"In Mark particularly -- which in some of its aspects may be closer to Marcion's evangelion than Luke — the motif of the apostles’ disbelief remains central..." Hoffmann, R. Joseph (2016). Marcion: On the Restitution of Christianity: An Essay on the Development of Radical Paulinist Theolo...