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by Sinouhe
Sun May 15, 2022 5:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Messiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls - Two Suffering Servants in Judea ?
Replies: 57
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Re: The Messiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls - Two Suffering Servants in Judea ?

More precisely: There are two versions of the same poem and I have two different editions of: The Complete Dead Sea Scrolls in English . In the 1997 edition of: The Complete Dead Sea Scrolls in English ( 4Q491, fr. 11 ) is found on page 185 and titled: The Song of Michael and the Just. with M. Bail...
by Sinouhe
Sun May 15, 2022 4:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Messiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls - Two Suffering Servants in Judea ?
Replies: 57
Views: 12379

Re: The Messiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls - Two Suffering Servants in Judea ?

Yet, it is cataloged by Geza Vermes as: "The song of Michael and the Just" Not exactly : Capture d’écran 2022-05-15 à 14.02.40.png Just so you know, I no longer have any translations by Michael O Wise or Abegg. I cleaned out my library last fall and I threw out their books because I deeme...
by Sinouhe
Sat May 14, 2022 11:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Celestial Messiah in the parables of Enoch
Replies: 218
Views: 48843

Re: The Celestial Messiah in the parables of Enoch

I don't have any in particular in mind. There are many views. O'Neill, Turmel, Loisy, Parvus, Munro, . . . . I suspect that the detailed comparisons of different views will be a major series of tasks. But I am increasingly doubtful that any of Paul's letters belong before 70. Did you write an artic...
by Sinouhe
Sat May 14, 2022 5:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Celestial Messiah in the parables of Enoch
Replies: 218
Views: 48843

Re: The Celestial Messiah in the parables of Enoch

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by Sinouhe
Sat May 14, 2022 5:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Celestial Messiah in the parables of Enoch
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Re: The Celestial Messiah in the parables of Enoch

Whether the Son of Man in the Parables of Enoch is worshipped may depend on the definition of Worship See for example Hurtado . I'm not entirely in agreement with Hurtado here, the veneration given to the Son of Man in the Parables of Enoch does seem problematic from the point of view of strict mon...
by Sinouhe
Sat May 14, 2022 2:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Messiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls - Two Suffering Servants in Judea ?
Replies: 57
Views: 12379

Re: The Messiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls - Two Suffering Servants in Judea ?

4Q491/4Q471 - The Self Glorification Hymn (see Table 1) Our hero is not just one angel among many angels, and it is not said that he will be transformed into an angel. Rather, he is and remains a human being who is elevated to the status of a god, and as such will return to earth ".[/i] Please...
by Sinouhe
Fri May 13, 2022 7:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Celestial Messiah in the parables of Enoch
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Re: The Celestial Messiah in the parables of Enoch

Thanks for the effort, Sinohue. It is very strange; in the English translation the chapter on Marcion doesn't end with the pages you have just uploaded (pages that coincide entirely with Histoire de Jésus ). It seems then that the English translation has been expanded partially by the same Couchoud...
by Sinouhe
Fri May 13, 2022 7:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Celestial Messiah in the parables of Enoch
Replies: 218
Views: 48843

Re: The Celestial Messiah in the parables of Enoch

@Giuseppe
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by Sinouhe
Fri May 13, 2022 7:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Celestial Messiah in the parables of Enoch
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Re: The Celestial Messiah in the parables of Enoch

The Last four pages before the chapter :

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by Sinouhe
Fri May 13, 2022 6:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Celestial Messiah in the parables of Enoch
Replies: 218
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Re: The Celestial Messiah in the parables of Enoch

Great, it may interest readers who don't read French. For my part, being French, I would be more comfortable to read it in its original language. I received it, I will certainly read it after I finish the one on 2 Enoch. Sinohue, can you upload a day the French original book Jésus, Le dieu fait hom...