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Thank you, Sinhoue. Now what's the next step? Hello Neil , I apologize in advance for my english. My next step will be to read this book: Capture d’écran 2022-05-13 à 13.48.04.png 2 Enoch is less interesting than 1 Enoch but the chapters 64-71 which concern Melchizedek are, in my opinion, very impo...

I share with you some James Waddell's conclusions about Christ and Enoch in the Parables. It was a good read. LP = Letters of Paul BP = Book of Parables Page 183-184 The most striking similarities of conceptual elements with regard to the messiah figures in BP and LP must be approached from a perspe...

The authors quote Larry Furtado in the introduction : ... a noteworthy devotion to Jesus emerges phenomenally early in circles of his followers, and cannot be restricted to a secondary stage of religious development or explained as the product of extraneous forces. Certainly the Christian movement ...

According to that interpretation of Christ in the Pauline epistles, it confirms that Jesus was from the beginning considered as a divine entity and not like a simple man progressively divinized as the historicists claim. The authors quote Larry Furtado in the introduction : ...a noteworthy devotion ...

Finally reading the Waddell Book on Paul and Enoch.
It’s nice to read an historicist sharing some points with mythicists.

neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 7:49 pm

andrewcriddle wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 9:43 am The important recent study Meaning and Context in the Thanksgiving Hymns by Hasselbalch follows Martinez (and Baillet).

better still .... for free: https://archive.org/details/meaningcontextin0000hass

Thanks Neil
I will read the chapter about the Self glorification hymn.

Peter Schafer - Two Gods in Heaven: Among the excerpts you quoted in the Opening Post is As a suffering Messiah, he [" [ t ] he speaker, definitely a human being"] is raised up in an unparalleled manner onto a throne in heaven, which even the Israelite kings cannot claim for themselves. W...

If one ignores the tentative reconstructions (in square brackets), then in 4Q491 we have a being, who may be either human or angelic, who boasts of being seated on a heavenly throne and who has a glory superior to all the angels. In 4Q471 and parallels we have a human figure who has apparently suff...

These are very fragmentary texts and using 4Q471 and 4Q491 to interpret each other despite their clear differences is problematic. See Old texts and modern mirages by Martinez. Andrew Criddle Yes these are fragmentary texts but it diverge only on details. Most of the searchers accept the probable c...

StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 10:28 am The name may have been revealed to some.
Not all Qumran mss may have been intended to be read by outsiders.

Exactly