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by Peter Kirby
Tue Dec 24, 2024 9:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 'The Letters of Paul in their Roman Literary Context: Reassessing Apostolic Authorship'
Replies: 202
Views: 21602

Re: 'The Letters of Paul in their Roman Literary Context: Reassessing Apostolic Authorship'

Trobisch and others resolve the problem by assuming that Paul himself (sic) started to collect copies of the epistles. And alas an optimal point by Livesey: This theory, however, relies on a school-like setting for Paul, a place that could function for the collection and production of letters. Ther...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Dec 24, 2024 9:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 'The Letters of Paul in their Roman Literary Context: Reassessing Apostolic Authorship'
Replies: 202
Views: 21602

Re: 'The Letters of Paul in their Roman Literary Context: Reassessing Apostolic Authorship'

The Marcuonite school hypothesis is hot garbage and is dead on arrival. Authorship by Paul carries its own highly coherent explanation for the origin of the letter collection. If you refuse to explore pseudonymity ideas outside of the ignorant Marcionite school origin nonsense, you're dooming only y...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Dec 24, 2024 9:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 'The Letters of Paul in their Roman Literary Context: Reassessing Apostolic Authorship'
Replies: 202
Views: 21602

Re: 'The Letters of Paul in their Roman Literary Context: Reassessing Apostolic Authorship'

Trobisch and others resolve the problem by assuming that Paul himself (sic) started to collect copies of the epistles. And alas an optimal point by Livesey: This theory, however, relies on a school-like setting for Paul, a place that could function for the collection and production of letters. Ther...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Dec 24, 2024 9:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 'The Letters of Paul in their Roman Literary Context: Reassessing Apostolic Authorship'
Replies: 202
Views: 21602

Re: 'The Letters of Paul in their Roman Literary Context: Reassessing Apostolic Authorship'

Trobisch and others resolve the problem by assuming that Paul himself (sic) started to collect copies of the epistles. And alas an optimal point by Livesey: This theory, however, relies on a school-like setting for Paul, a place that could function for the collection and production of letters. Ther...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Dec 24, 2024 8:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 'The Letters of Paul in their Roman Literary Context: Reassessing Apostolic Authorship'
Replies: 202
Views: 21602

Re: 'The Letters of Paul in their Roman Literary Context: Reassessing Apostolic Authorship'

The force of this argument, the objective difficulty in explaining the collection of the 7 authentic epistles (and the need of their preservation in first place), is so persuasive What is the "objective difficulty" that you're claiming to feel to be "so persuasive" here?
by Peter Kirby
Mon Dec 23, 2024 10:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Signs That Origen Was Reusing an Older (Lost) Version of an Anti-Celsus Treatise Possibly Written by Someone Else
Replies: 35
Views: 2168

Re: Signs That Origen Was Reusing an Older (Lost) Version of an Anti-Celsus Treatise Possibly Written by Someone Else

Secret Alias wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 7:59 am 1.56 Celsus, the Jew in his work, and everyone else failed to notice, that the prophecies speak of two advents of Christ (Ἔλαθε δὲ τὸν Κέλσον καὶ τὸν παρ' αὐτῷ Ἰουδαῖον καὶ πάντας)

Who is the "everyone else" Origen is referring to?
All Jews.
by Peter Kirby
Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Funniest (Unintentionally So) Line in the Whole Against Celsus
Replies: 27
Views: 969

Re: The Funniest (Unintentionally So) Line in the Whole Against Celsus

The passage does not explicitly specify whether Celsus's hypothetical second book was completed in the distant or recent past, but some implications can be drawn from the context and Origen's choice of language. In conclusion, while Origen does not explicitly specify whether the hypothetical second...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Biggest reason to doubt that Paul existed
Replies: 33
Views: 1631

Re: Biggest reason to doubt that Paul existed

rgprice wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 1:58 am It seems to me that the only people we ever hear from are people whose only knowledge of Paul comes from reading the Pauline letters or other stories that were invented about Paul.
You were expecting a wonderland where we have a bevy of authentic mid-first century texts other than Paul? :roll:
by Peter Kirby
Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Biggest reason to doubt that Paul existed
Replies: 33
Views: 1631

Re: Biggest reason to doubt that Paul existed

The idea that Polycarp knew Marcion, but didn't mention his name is a bit silly. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskLiteraryStudies/comments/an4zaf/is_there_a_word_for_subtweet_in_a_context_outside/ For those who are unaware, a subtweet is a tweet that is posted without any mention of any person, but is d...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Ektroma --- Paul and His Pals Miriam and Jeremiah
Replies: 3
Views: 145

Re: The Ektroma --- Paul and His Pals Miriam and Jeremiah

The world having been in labor pains Romans 8:19,22 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. ... We know that the whole creation (πᾶσα ἡ κτίσις) has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth (συστενάζει καὶ συνωδίνει) right up to the present time (αχρι τ...