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by Peter Kirby
Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Weirdest NT passages
Replies: 6
Views: 12774

Re: Weirdest NT passages

Acts 5 - Ananias and Sapphira Struck dead by God for not giving all their money to the church. Acts 7 - Any Last Words? Please hold your stones until the end. Acts 8 - What a Trip I just flew in from Gaza, and boy are my arms tired. Acts 12 - Was it something I said? Gives a speech, declared a god, ...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pauline Gospel was a Late Invention
Replies: 126
Views: 172719

Re: The Pauline Gospel was a Late Invention

The word "contemporary" might not be the best way to express the distance in time at fifty years, but it could be worse. Yes, Hegesippus is known only from references and quotations. Your protest against using them is noted. By the way, I found something interesting about the archaeology o...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What You Do To Peter You Must Do To Paul: the forgery question
Replies: 60
Views: 104093

Re: evidence of an earthly human Jesus in the Pauline epistl

Again I don't know why if you have Marcion and the Tatianites and many others rejecting Acts as a 'spurious codex' (De Recta in Deum Fide) and specifically denying the Catholic version of Paul and their Pauline collection how people can walk around with such certainty about who Paul was. Once you'v...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What You Do To Peter You Must Do To Paul: the forgery question
Replies: 60
Views: 104093

Re: evidence of an earthly human Jesus in the Pauline epistl

I really do see your point, dewitness, but there are some who would say that you are begging the question (the answer to which is important) when you state your premise that the stories of Jesus had no existence before they achieved literary form in the Gospels.
by Peter Kirby
Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pauline Gospel was a Late Invention
Replies: 126
Views: 172719

Re: The Pauline Gospel was a Late Invention

There is a roughly homophonic Aramaic word, apparently, for the Greek 'petros'. I can't vouch for its relevance at all, especially when we are given both forms (Aramaic and Greek) in our sources already. I will concede that you may want to translate 'kepha' as 'stone' instead of 'rock.'
by Peter Kirby
Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What You Do To Peter You Must Do To Paul: the forgery question
Replies: 60
Views: 104093

Re: evidence of an earthly human Jesus in the Pauline epistl

Do you know any scholars who did entertain your views that Paul wrote some of his letters after 70, and visited or planned to visit Jerusalem then? And I thought you abandoned that idea and kept two options: a fabricated Paul (after 70) or a true Paul active in the 40's and 50's. (1) Probably Rober...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pauline Gospel was a Late Invention
Replies: 126
Views: 172719

Re: The Pauline Gospel was a Late Invention

Agreed, agreed, misunderstanding, something like that, agreed, agreed, agreed.
by Peter Kirby
Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Diatessaron a Misnomer? The Evidence of Ephrem's Commentary
Replies: 8
Views: 15787

Re: Diatessaron a Misnomer? The Evidence of Ephrem's Commen

Relevant here (and much more readable): http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku/bbl/tatian.htm DID HE REALLY DO IT? The only real evidence for Tatian producing the Diatessaron is just one short quote from Eusebius, and even this is disputed, because the original wording is not so clear. This passage surviv...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pauline Gospel was a Late Invention
Replies: 126
Views: 172719

Re: The Pauline Gospel was a Late Invention

We have statements in a contemporary source (Hegesippus) about 'brethren of the lord' and bishops/apostles 'of the circumcision' in the period 70-135 AD, and that provides just as suitable a sitz-im-Leben for the dispute over the authority of the Jerusalem/James/Peter/Law/Judaizing/circumcision grou...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does Galatians 4 imply a pre-70 AD perspective?
Replies: 179
Views: 169766

Re: evidence of an earthly human Jesus in the Pauline epistl

Galatians 4:24-26 "Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is , and is in bondage with her children . But Jerusalem which...