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by RandyHelzerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:31 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 174
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Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

Here is perhaps a better quality image of the Iota from συμφωνοίη in I 9 Yeah that image was very high quality. Here's what I get: ken_iota.png From left to right: original cropped image, sobel-transformed image, and the top few percent darkest pixels. Recall, the darkest pixels will be awarded hig...
by RandyHelzerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:42 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 174
Views: 143958

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

How about this? Ok, Adam, this is what I mean by enhancing the contrast. I loaded your image into gimp, then brought up the colors->level tool, and then just cranked the "output levels" setting all the way to zero. It has the effect of making the brights brighter, and the darks darker (li...
by RandyHelzerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:02 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 174
Views: 143958

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

I do not think this answers the point AdamKvanta raised. If by 'gymnastic example' you mean the letter under discussion on III 18, I think you have to discuss that. You are right:-) I hope my followup post filled that gap. If there is anything in particular you'd like me to address, point it out an...
by RandyHelzerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:32 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 174
Views: 143958

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

I don't think untrained use of image manipulation programs is the answer. Oh I would actually encourage people to play around with this. I’m just using an off the shelf image processing software (gimp) and applying edge detection filters. Adam I don’t have the same image processing program that you...
by RandyHelzerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:13 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 174
Views: 143958

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

How about this? sigma.png Hey Adam, thanks for reading all those posts, and thanks for trying your hand at it. Recall, the path the pen takes is one of those things which is inferred from the data. But I didn't talk a lot about how you *do* find the most probable path. Let me try to fill the lacuna...
by RandyHelzerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:18 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 174
Views: 143958

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

And here's the character we've been talking about on the third page, which isn't a sigma. I posted the edge-detected version of this one earlier. But after reading the above it probably makes more sense now, so I'll post it again for convenience: letters.jpg Can you pick it out of a line-up :-) Eac...
by RandyHelzerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:53 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 174
Views: 143958

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

Here's an image of just the same final sigma cropped from Hedrick's / Viklund's bitmap file (uncompressed). Just for fun: other_sigma.jpg Just a rough cut. the image quality isn't as good, but this is a good indication of how robust these are to image quality. We still get a discernable outline, an...
by RandyHelzerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:12 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 174
Views: 143958

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

OK, lets put that result next to what would be the same processing done to the stereotypical sigma: processed_sigmas.jpg And, if you look at it abstractly, after processing, the two don't look as much different as they started!! In both cases, we have 3 lines. Two of the lines in both pictures meet ...
by RandyHelzerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:46 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 174
Views: 143958

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

Now when computing the probabilities of what this letter is, the computer will make its best guess as to what the path was that the pen made. It will do so on the basis of which pixels are the darkest, as they have the most probability of being on the path. It will also try to figure out whether the...
by RandyHelzerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 4:28 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 174
Views: 143958

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

I think you may need to comment on what you think your image processing shows i didn't say much because I didn't want to prejudice the issue, but yeah, its probably a good idea if I explain a bit what these pictures show and what information you can extract from them. Q. What is the context? Where ...