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by RandyHelzerman
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 284898

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

Elsewhere, how do you explain this disturbing clue in Mark? The hypothesis interpolation invoked by Wilke seems to betray a reluctance to recognize the obvious (the presence of these disturbing 'bones' of violence meant by Maccoby). Giuseppe, are you positing here that there was a historical Jesus ...
by RandyHelzerman
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources
Replies: 196
Views: 362758

Re: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources

But this is a false comparision because nature itself (via the theory of evolution) does the replication of the DNA whereas the replication of manuscripts is conducted by monks and/or scribes under the supervision of the church library authorities. It's not like DNA is replicated naturally and the ...
by RandyHelzerman
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 284898

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

But there is an offstage in Mark (and all gospels, naturally), Only if you read the text dogmatically, assuming, say, this story historical, not allegorical or fictional. From a critical perspective, all we have are the texts which have reached us, and it's irresponsible to speculate wildly outside...
by RandyHelzerman
Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 284898

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

So I am comfortable with the assumption that Jesus routinely became unclean during his life and underwent whatever procedures were necessary to remedy it. And I'm not comfortable hallucinating episodes which aren't there in service of a religious belief. Maybe offstage Jesus was taking ufo trips to...
by RandyHelzerman
Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The opening of Mark really Marcion's?
Replies: 117
Views: 89816

Re: The opening of Mark really Marcion's?

But we have what we have, and this is the sense I make of it. But if we take 7:19 as original, I look at it the same way that Papias didn't only write down what he heard from elders, he also gave his own interpretations of them. So if Mark heard from the elder Peter (which I have no issue with), th...
by RandyHelzerman
Fri Oct 20, 2023 2:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 284898

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

How do you square this with Jesus telling the leper to "show yourself to the priest and present the offering Moses prescribed for your cleansing, as a testimony to them,” Maybe because the leper was a jew?" How do *you* square it with the fact that Jesus *didn't* go to the priest and do s...
by RandyHelzerman
Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 📣 Introducing a New Bible Conference Coordinated by Bart Ehrman
Replies: 11
Views: 15976

Re: 📣 Introducing a New Bible Conference Coordinated by Bart Ehrman

chrishuntley wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:24 am Hey everyone,
I'm Chris Huntley, Director of Marketing for Bart Ehrman.
Wow, no wonder everybody is complaining about not being able to get their stuff published.

Can I get your card? Asking for a friend.....
by RandyHelzerman
Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources
Replies: 196
Views: 362758

Re: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources

It's structure apparently goes back a long way. While I take your point I was focused on the NTA. The "Other Jesus and Apostle" story books which circulated in antiquity. How is your great-great-great-great-great grandmother relevant to this group of savagely censored books? Both DNA we g...
by RandyHelzerman
Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:13 pm
Forum: General Religious Discussion
Topic: Stanford Scientist After Decades of Study Concludes We Don't Have Free Will
Replies: 6
Views: 24718

Re: Stanford Scientist After Decades of Study Concludes We Don't Have Free Will

The first book written in America which anybody in Europe took at all seriously was Johnathan Edwards's book "The Freedom of the Will." (which argued that there's no such thing). It was just the next step in the same argument between Calvinits and Arminians, which had been going on since A...
by RandyHelzerman
Thu Oct 19, 2023 5:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 284898

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

And it's not as if Jesus and his followers were seriously reaping or intending to do any serious reaping on the Sabbath. They plucked a few grains and the Pharisees were being nit-picky. Is this all that "Simon" does differently as "Lord of the Sabbath"? Fun fact, Jesus doesn't ...