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by RandyHelzerman
Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 284897

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

what I am proposing is that canonical Mark is a sanitized version of an earlier Simonian gospel. Sure, that's a possibility; Mark has a lot of little loose ends, like "Salome" who pops up out of nowhere (perhaps somebody edited out her backstory) or that place in in Mark 10:46 which says:...
by RandyHelzerman
Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 284897

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

I don't see how Paul factors into this. Well there's your problem. ;-) However, even if I allow it, it is still a parenthetical remark made by someone else (who I could even allow to be Mark), and one that I don't agree with. Again, I'm not condemning anybody's faith here. But, if you have to resor...
by RandyHelzerman
Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 284897

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

Where does Jesus say anything against ritual cleanness as prescribed in the written Torah? Oh, I don't know, maybe Mark 7? Before you are so quick to write back, you might want to browse over to Paul's letters and see what *he* has to say about the Laws of Moses blinding the Jews: We are not like M...
by RandyHelzerman
Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 284897

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

I think you are taking Jesus' interpretations of the Torah as somehow "rewriting" the Torah. But this is the same guy who said (in the context of "you have heard, but I say"): Well there's a couple of issue here I suppose I should weigh in on: 1. The Torah is by no means self-co...
by RandyHelzerman
Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 284897

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

Jesus doesn't reject divorce, he just doesn't recommend it (using the story of Adam and Eve in the Torah as an example) except in extreme cases, just like Moses does in Dt. 24:1: Not to get too proof-texty, but seems like Jesus wants us all to get back to that *really* good old time religion: Jesus...
by RandyHelzerman
Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources
Replies: 196
Views: 362673

Re: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources

Not sure how we can date Papias to around 100 tho. Aside from wishful thinking what is our evidence? *chuckle* Brings back great childhood memories, visiting old granddad. Aside from the wishful thinking of these demonic darwinists and those godless-goose-stepping greekmongers, what evidence is the...
by RandyHelzerman
Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 284897

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

I think the reason the Markan Jesus has proved so hard to figure out is because it has usually been assumed that there are basically only two strands to untangle: (1) what belongs to the historical Jesus, and (2) what belongs to the subsequent elaboration of him by the later church. True true, but ...
by RandyHelzerman
Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources
Replies: 196
Views: 362673

Re: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources

If you are looking for primary evidence for the existence of either the early christian sects OR the NT apocryphal books in the 2nd century then what PRIMARY EVIDENCE would imply is physical evidence for these things which was created during the 2nd century Ok, great. BTW, my questions were a bit s...
by RandyHelzerman
Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources
Replies: 196
Views: 362673

Re: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources

Feel free to object to any of the above claims *chuckle* you don't have to ask this gasbag twice.... All theories for the authorship and chronology of the NTC can remain on the table. *all* theories? I don't want to pillory this, but *all* is a lot of theories. E.g. how about the theory my dad taug...
by RandyHelzerman
Tue Oct 17, 2023 4:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 284897

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

This... “their secrets must not be uttered at all, but they must keep them concealed by silence” ... does sound like Mark, so I see why you'd find the Basilides link promising. But this: He and his followers held that “not many” can know their doctrines; only “one in a thousand and two in ten thousa...