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by ebion
Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
Replies: 102
Views: 87381

Re: The Problem of someone who was also closely related to the tetrach

Marcion was a mover and shaker: he "found" the first Faulines letters, assembled the first canon by combining them with his version of Luke. Apologies for the potential tangent, but I have to ask: If Marcion created the letters of Paul AND he created his Luke-like Gospel, why don't we see...
by ebion
Fri Dec 29, 2023 12:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: KJV Tampering as a precursor to Sinaiaticus Fraud
Replies: 142
Views: 136295

Re: NIV Tampering

I looked at a NIV recently, based on Nestle Aland, which used the Codex simonides/Sinaticus fraud , which is very important. The following table lists 300 verses that have been changed in the seven most popular versions. https://www.av1611.org/biblecom.html https://www.av1611.org/biblevs.html - Vers...
by ebion
Fri Dec 29, 2023 12:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What to make of the Gospel of the Hebrews?
Replies: 53
Views: 442034

Running out the clock whilst the lied through their teeth

Thanks for your comments here. What I was thinking of, now that I have reviewed the Wikipedia page, is the kind of vague backstory. A backstory peddled by Wickedpaedia, disputed by everyone involved? I am glad the NHL was published, eventually, with fewer delays than the DSS (but also from 11x as m...
by ebion
Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
Replies: 102
Views: 87381

Re: Detering: How to explain the existence of Marcionite elements in Paul's theology

I find Detering to be very good on the subject of Faul. From: The Dutch Radical Approach to the Pauline Epistles - Hermann Detering : (5.) Another question crying for attention is how to explain the existence of Marcionite elements in Paul's theology. On close inspection it is apparent that we can s...
by ebion
Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
Replies: 102
Views: 87381

The Problem of someone who was also closely related to the tetrach

After a lot of consideration and close examination of the Pauline corpus for many years (about 20),... I concluded that Paul (...) was a retainer of a Herodian prince, either he or his father having been manumitted gentile slaves. This is known to be untrue: Paul was raised with Manaen who had been...
by ebion
Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
Replies: 102
Views: 87381

Re: The Problem of Paul

maybe cause they thought Paul wrote them and when Marcion caused a storm with them, they ditched Marcion and kept the letters, so they could benefit from their popularity? I used to think that but no longer do. The Ebionaens were right in viewing him as an apostate not an apostle, as Acts clearly s...
by ebion
Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
Replies: 102
Views: 87381

Re: The Problem of Paul

the Problem with Paul, simply put, is that Paul's teachings in the Paulines are strongly opposed the those of Jesus in the synoptics, and yet his teachings are pushed forward by most Churches. I don't see a problem here. Paul taught a Torah-free gospel to Gentiles and Jesus (to my eyes) taught a To...
by ebion
Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
Replies: 102
Views: 87381

Re: Airbrushing of Mark

i don't buy the theory the core of Mark is Pauline. it does have a slight Pauline airbrushing but lacks any real pauline doctrines. I agree; Mark has had a later airbrushing of the synoptics to lessen the conflict of Paul with Christianity. we also see the other side, the epistles and pastorals bei...
by ebion
Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
Replies: 102
Views: 87381

Paul was a Herodian: he got 470 Roman soldiers to guard him

As far as I know, all the heretics placed Paul very early, even those that rejected Paul (like the Ebionites). So if Paul was a literary creation, they placed him early. If the person himself was a literary creation, I think that person as a letter writer with a collection wouldn't be an unlikely c...
by ebion
Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
Replies: 102
Views: 87381

The Problem of Paul and Marcionism

the Problem with Paul, simply put, is that Paul's teachings in the Paulines are strongly opposed the those of Jesus in the synoptics, and yet his teachings are pushed forward by most Churches. In this thread we want to pull together the writers over the years that have been critical of having Paul i...