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- Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:28 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
- Replies: 102
- Views: 87381
Re: The Problem of someone who was also closely related to the tetrach
Marcion was a mover and shaker: he "found" the first Faulines letters, assembled the first canon by combining them with his version of Luke. Apologies for the potential tangent, but I have to ask: If Marcion created the letters of Paul AND he created his Luke-like Gospel, why don't we see...
- Fri Dec 29, 2023 12:33 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: KJV Tampering as a precursor to Sinaiaticus Fraud
- Replies: 142
- Views: 136295
Re: NIV Tampering
I looked at a NIV recently, based on Nestle Aland, which used the Codex simonides/Sinaticus fraud , which is very important. The following table lists 300 verses that have been changed in the seven most popular versions. https://www.av1611.org/biblecom.html https://www.av1611.org/biblevs.html - Vers...
- Fri Dec 29, 2023 12:19 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: What to make of the Gospel of the Hebrews?
- Replies: 53
- Views: 442034
Running out the clock whilst the lied through their teeth
Thanks for your comments here. What I was thinking of, now that I have reviewed the Wikipedia page, is the kind of vague backstory. A backstory peddled by Wickedpaedia, disputed by everyone involved? I am glad the NHL was published, eventually, with fewer delays than the DSS (but also from 11x as m...
- Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:46 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
- Replies: 102
- Views: 87381
Re: Detering: How to explain the existence of Marcionite elements in Paul's theology
I find Detering to be very good on the subject of Faul. From: The Dutch Radical Approach to the Pauline Epistles - Hermann Detering : (5.) Another question crying for attention is how to explain the existence of Marcionite elements in Paul's theology. On close inspection it is apparent that we can s...
- Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:51 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
- Replies: 102
- Views: 87381
The Problem of someone who was also closely related to the tetrach
After a lot of consideration and close examination of the Pauline corpus for many years (about 20),... I concluded that Paul (...) was a retainer of a Herodian prince, either he or his father having been manumitted gentile slaves. This is known to be untrue: Paul was raised with Manaen who had been...
- Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:12 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
- Replies: 102
- Views: 87381
Re: The Problem of Paul
maybe cause they thought Paul wrote them and when Marcion caused a storm with them, they ditched Marcion and kept the letters, so they could benefit from their popularity? I used to think that but no longer do. The Ebionaens were right in viewing him as an apostate not an apostle, as Acts clearly s...
- Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:10 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
- Replies: 102
- Views: 87381
Re: The Problem of Paul
the Problem with Paul, simply put, is that Paul's teachings in the Paulines are strongly opposed the those of Jesus in the synoptics, and yet his teachings are pushed forward by most Churches. I don't see a problem here. Paul taught a Torah-free gospel to Gentiles and Jesus (to my eyes) taught a To...
- Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:28 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
- Replies: 102
- Views: 87381
Re: Airbrushing of Mark
i don't buy the theory the core of Mark is Pauline. it does have a slight Pauline airbrushing but lacks any real pauline doctrines. I agree; Mark has had a later airbrushing of the synoptics to lessen the conflict of Paul with Christianity. we also see the other side, the epistles and pastorals bei...
- Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:21 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
- Replies: 102
- Views: 87381
Paul was a Herodian: he got 470 Roman soldiers to guard him
As far as I know, all the heretics placed Paul very early, even those that rejected Paul (like the Ebionites). So if Paul was a literary creation, they placed him early. If the person himself was a literary creation, I think that person as a letter writer with a collection wouldn't be an unlikely c...
- Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:57 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
- Replies: 102
- Views: 87381
The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
the Problem with Paul, simply put, is that Paul's teachings in the Paulines are strongly opposed the those of Jesus in the synoptics, and yet his teachings are pushed forward by most Churches. In this thread we want to pull together the writers over the years that have been critical of having Paul i...