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by robert j
Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Reasons to Believe Some/Much of What the Church Fathers Report
Replies: 17
Views: 3291

Re: The Reasons to Believe Some/Much of What the Church Fathers Report

Did Marcion’s people in Pontus really cut-up their dead parents along with sheep to devour at their feasts? Was Marcion really fouler than any Scythian, more deceitful than the Ister, more savage than even the beasts, a monster who quenched the light of his faith and lost the God whom he had found? ...
by robert j
Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: At What Point Does 'Based on a Historical Character' Become Unhistorical?
Replies: 212
Views: 35275

Re: At What Point Does 'Based on a Historical Character' Become Unhistorical?

When ever people ... accuse the Church Fathers of lying ABOUT EVERYTHING ... opens the door to selfishness and hobby horse theories ... Sure. With your emphasis on “EVERYTHING” I would have to agree. I think the writings of the Church Fathers provide an excellent source of 2nd century (and later) e...
by robert j
Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul --- Is that an Interpolation?
Replies: 13
Views: 3721

The Last Doxology of Romans Revisited, again

One should note that there is textual evidence to doubt Romans 16:25-27; it is not simply an argument for interpolation on internal grounds. The doxology jumps around in the manuscript record like a flea on a hot griddle. Found in various manuscripts of Romans at the end of chapter 14, or in some a...
by robert j
Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul --- Is that an Interpolation?
Replies: 13
Views: 3721

Re: Paul --- Is that an Interpolation?

With this talk about being polite, I decided to tone down the OP. Why pick on Walker when the post is not really about him? It’s was distracting. The OP is about two prominent factors that are commonly used by investigators when attempting to identify interpolations in Paul. And the only two times I...
by robert j
Wed Mar 23, 2022 9:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul --- Is that an Interpolation?
Replies: 13
Views: 3721

Re: In Paul --- William, O’my that must be an interpolation, Walker

I'll leave it to you and any others to explore those issues as interested. :cry: LOL "A polite foff"? Not at all. Though I think my comment is polite. Due to a variety of current limitations, my participation in the forum is limited to either a very occasional OP or post --- or to no part...
by robert j
Tue Mar 22, 2022 4:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul --- Is that an Interpolation?
Replies: 13
Views: 3721

Re: In Paul --- William, O’my that must be an interpolation, Walker

Robert J-- Thanks for this stimulating essay. I appreciate when contributors make an effort to write coherently. .... 4. You say that we should accept the epistolary claims of co-authorship (Sosthenes, Timothy, etc.) at face value. But you also say that Paul exercised "full editorial control.&...
by robert j
Tue Mar 22, 2022 4:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul --- Is that an Interpolation?
Replies: 13
Views: 3721

Re: In Paul --- William, O’my that must be an interpolation, Walker

Oops, I forgot the last 2 verses, the beef, in my citation of the lie in the apparent insertion in Romans chapter 3. Now fixed.
by robert j
Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul --- Is that an Interpolation?
Replies: 13
Views: 3721

Paul --- Is that an Interpolation?

My focus here is on two prominent factors that investigators often include in their arguments for interpolation --- apparent non-Pauline language and style, and apparent interruption of the train of thought with an insertion into the surrounding text. I will argue that neither of those factors serve...
by robert j
Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul the Loser and his Yahweh
Replies: 15
Views: 6894

Paul the Loser and his Yahweh

From another Thread: Paul ... Does he anywhere say, explicitly, that the Gentiles are worshiping Yahweh? ... No Beyond a very few Semitic terms that Paul probably tossed-in to add more foreign mysticism to his writings ( maranatha, amen, abba ), Paul wrote in Greek. And Paul’s source of material fro...
by robert j
Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:26 pm
Forum: General Religious Discussion
Topic: Lack of Divine Foresight
Replies: 17
Views: 15036

Re: Lack of Divine Foresight

How do we account for God not knowing that Adam and Eve would sin in the Garden? Either he didn't know or he wanted them to sin. Otherwise couldn't he have come up with a plan which prevented the Fall? Hard to get around the libertine reading of Genesis i.e. sinning was necessary. Or do we accept t...