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by Ken Olson
Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Richard Carrier about being expert on the problem of historicity
Replies: 28
Views: 22726

Re: Richard Carrier about being expert on the problem of historicity

Especially when Carrier makes it clear that he is «probably the foremost expert on the historicity debate specifically now», and not an expert about particular other features of the Christian Origins. What is the purpose of saying someone is the foremost expert on something or recognizing them as s...
by Ken Olson
Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 156
Views: 162116

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ben Smith wrote: Ben: Back to this statement of yours: Ken: The fact that Josephus was an unwilling unbeliever adds to the *credibility* of *his* testimony. I understand what you are saying here, and it is not impossible that our author could mean this, but he actually does give a direct object for ...
by Ken Olson
Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 156
Views: 162116

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ben Smith wrote:
Just saw your other message after posting this. I will try to get to it soonish.
I have never had reason to complain about your response time.
by Ken Olson
Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 156
Views: 162116

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ben Smith wrote: The text itself says "added to (the) testimony." Right. Non tamen veritati praeiudicat, quia non credidit sed plus addidit testimonio , quia nec incredulus et invitus negavit Why "but he added to (the) testimony"? Why "he" and (the) instead of "it...
by Ken Olson
Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 156
Views: 162116

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ben Smith wrote: Okay, sure, that is possible. Is it necessary? Did everybody who noticed how popular Christianity had become after Constantine do so only at Eusebius' prompting? ETA: Do you not think that this line reflects the gens bit in the Testimonium? Or is it a combination of the Testimonium ...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 156
Views: 162116

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ben Smith asked: Whence do you think this line comes? Eusebius, where else? The spread of the name of Christ and the nation named after him throughout the world is a major theme. Here are three references from HE I Chapters 3 and 4 (there are some in the DE as well). 3.12: And as himself the true an...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 156
Views: 162116

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ben, Another question if I may. From him began the congregation of Christians, even infiltrating every race of humans, nor does there remain any nation in the Roman world that is without his religion . If the Jews do not believe us, they might believe one of their own. Thus spoke Josephus, We've dis...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 156
Views: 162116

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ben Smith wrote: Matthew 26.59-64: 59 Now the chief priests [Vulgate: principes autem sacerdotum] and the whole Council kept trying to obtain false testimony against Jesus, so that they might put Him to death. 60 They did not find any, even though many false witnesses came forward. But later on two ...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 156
Views: 162116

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ben Smith wrote: The text itself says "added to (the) testimony. Right. Non tamen veritati praeiudicat, quia non credidit sed plus addidit testimonio , quia nec incredulus et invitus negavit Why "but he added to (the) testimony"? Why "he" and (the) instead of "it" ...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Eusebius as a forger.
Replies: 156
Views: 162116

Re: Eusebius as a forger.

Ben, I'm trying to get my head around what you're saying about the testimony. Of this the Jews themselves give the testimony , Josephus the writer saying in his history that there was at that time a wise man, if it be appropriate, he says, to call man the creator of miraculous works, who appeared al...