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by Ken Olson
Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gary Goldberg, 'The Coincidences of the Emmaus Narrative of Luke and the Testimonium of Josephus'
Replies: 97
Views: 104758

Re: Gary Goldberg, 'The Coincidences of the Emmaus Narrative of Luke and the Testimonium of Josephus'

I certainly did not say that here was no relationship between the Emmaus narrative in Luke 24 the Testimonium Flavianum ...and yet your conclusion is that two authors (the forger of the TF and the author of *Ev/Luke-Acts) arrived independently one from the other Again, that was not my contention. I...
by Ken Olson
Thu Aug 01, 2024 1:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gary Goldberg, 'The Coincidences of the Emmaus Narrative of Luke and the Testimonium of Josephus'
Replies: 97
Views: 104758

Gary Goldberg, 'The Coincidences of the Emmaus Narrative of Luke and the Testimonium of Josephus'

About the relation between the Emmaus episode and the TF, Richard Carrier writes: On this much I agree with Goldberg: his previous demonstration that the TF is just mindlessly, uncritically, and slavishly copied from the Emmaus narrative in Luke is in my opinion conclusive (see Gary Goldberg, “The ...
by Ken Olson
Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Testimonium Flavianum Recensions
Replies: 30
Views: 6764

Re: The Testimonium Flavianum Recensions

Based on Mason's essay.. The problem is that in referring to scenic elements in his two-volume work, the author of Luke-Acts (whose name we don’t know) mentions just a few things that happen to be things featured by Josephus. So there’s been a long discussion about the best way to explain this. The...
by Ken Olson
Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Josephus Antiquities via Caesaria-what about Rome too
Replies: 6
Views: 3242

Re: Josephus Antiquities via Caesaria-what about Rome too

What, if anything, has been documented of this — Rome was also burned and ransacked multiple times — after, say, 250 CE ?? (to, say, 600 CE ?) I'll try to answer this, though I'm not sure how relevant it is. Rome was sacked by the Visigoths under Alaric in 410. Rome was sacked again by the Vandals ...
by Ken Olson
Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: An intriguing quote by Thackeray on γίνεται δέ (the overture of the Testimonium Flavianum)
Replies: 24
Views: 5598

Re: An intriguing quote by Thackeray on γίνεται δέ (the overture of the Testimonium Flavianum)

I am denying that it is used in Josephus to introduce a single person getting executed. It is, however, used to introduce a single person being executed in Eusebius Martyrs of Palestine 9.6: 5. Thereupon Firmilianus, being greatly enraged, sentenced them to capital punishment without inflicting tor...
by Ken Olson
Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Testimonium Flavianum Recensions
Replies: 30
Views: 6764

Re: The Testimonium Flavianum Recensions

It is one thing to draw an argument from existing evidence and another thing to create evidence to draw an argument. Are you saying I created evidence? If so, could you say specifically where? Did he write +60 years before Constantine? How old was Eusebius when he wrote if he was born in 264 and di...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Testimonium Flavianum Recensions
Replies: 30
Views: 6764

Re: The Testimonium Flavianum Recensions

What would be the purpose of an interpolation inserted in the 4th century into a work from the end of the 1st century? No one questioned the historicity of Jesus. Neither pagans nor Jews. There was no need to argue for the historicity of Jesus either in the 2nd or 3rd century. Why in the 4th centur...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jul 28, 2024 8:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: An intriguing quote by Thackeray on γίνεται δέ (the overture of the Testimonium Flavianum)
Replies: 24
Views: 5598

Re: An intriguing quote by Thackeray on γίνεται δέ (the overture of the Testimonium Flavianum)

A TLG search returns 10 instances of γίνεται δέ in the Antiquities: the three cited by Thackeray, the Testimonium Flavianum (Ant.18.63-64) and six more. have you checked that all the other 6 instances happen to be exactly "overtures" of an episode? Thackeray has pointed out just a such fu...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jul 28, 2024 12:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: An intriguing quote by Thackeray on γίνεται δέ (the overture of the Testimonium Flavianum)
Replies: 24
Views: 5598

Re: An intriguing quote by Thackeray on γίνεται δέ (the overture of the Testimonium Flavianum)

Now, what has recently converted me to Dr. Eisler's view is the very opening of our passage—the two little words γίνεται δέ, commonly translated, as I have myself previously translated them, "Now there lived." I always felt I was taking a certain liberty in so translating them, and now it...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Testimonium Flavianum Recensions
Replies: 30
Views: 6764

Re: The Testimonium Flavianum Recensions

May I ask for an example of an obviously Christian passage that the compiler of the Separated Edition left in? Here's one: Slavonic Josephus - Lazarus.PNG The Greek text of the Jewish War mentions Mannaeus, the son of Lazarus (i.e., a Hellenized form of the fairly common Hebrew name Eleazar). In th...