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by Ken Olson
Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Kate Leeming on the Slavonic Version of Josephus Jewish War
Replies: 5
Views: 11171

Re: Kate Leeming on the Slavonic Version of Josephus Jewish War

At the beginning of the History Valley interview with Samuel Zinner on the Slavonic Josephus, Zinner argues that the fact that the Slavonic text is late and based on a Greek exemplar does not show that it could not be ultimately based on an Aramaic (or Hebrew) version of Josephus' Jewish War. Many e...
by Ken Olson
Tue Jul 02, 2024 2:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Kate Leeming on the Slavonic Version of Josephus Jewish War
Replies: 5
Views: 11171

Re: Kate Leeming on the Slavonic Version of Josephus Jewish War

A comparison or contrast on how Slavonic Josephus and Sefer Yosippon each dealt with or avoid dealing with Essenes might be instructive. Is there a good publication that addresses such? None that I know of, but I doubt that the Slavonic Addition in this particular case is based on a source as oppos...
by Ken Olson
Mon Jul 01, 2024 4:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Kate Leeming on the Slavonic Version of Josephus Jewish War
Replies: 5
Views: 11171

Re: Kate Leeming on the Slavonic Version of Josephus Jewish War

Also further implying its disunity is the fact that despite Cerealius seems to be crushed here (which is what M also thinks of this), the same general Cerealius appears as an actor later in the narrative. Furthermore, according to the parallel columns, it looks like multiple phrases within the Phoi...
by Ken Olson
Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Kate Leeming on the Slavonic Version of Josephus Jewish War
Replies: 5
Views: 11171

Kate Leeming on the Slavonic Version of Josephus Jewish War

We have been discussing Samuel Zinner's arguments for assuming a Josephan original different from the Greek text of Josephus Jewish War that we have underlies the Slavonic Version of the Jewish War on this forum a good bit recently. In this post I will address instead Kate Leeming's arguments from h...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jun 30, 2024 11:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Imperative Humility with the Slavonic Josephus gives the Best Case for a Historical Jesus
Replies: 34
Views: 28026

Re: Imperative Humility with the Slavonic Josephus gives the Best Case for a Historical Jesus

It seems extraordinarily unlikely as an historical hypothesis that the governors (plural) are Roman governors as opposed to the Jewish leaders in Acts 5. this is the critical point, indeed. The dependence on Acts 5 is evident in that phrase à la Gamaliel: "Such great wonders do not happen by m...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Imperative Humility with the Slavonic Josephus gives the Best Case for a Historical Jesus
Replies: 34
Views: 28026

Re: Imperative Humility with the Slavonic Josephus gives the Best Case for a Historical Jesus

In the video (I go to memory), Zinner points out how the reference to the "servitude" has to be meant as a political 'servitude ', not a spiritual 'servitude'. In the "pauline" epistles we have references only to spiritual servitude. How could the Christian author mean spiritual...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Imperative Humility with the Slavonic Josephus gives the Best Case for a Historical Jesus
Replies: 34
Views: 28026

Re: Imperative Humility with the Slavonic Josephus gives the Best Case for a Historical Jesus

I see yet that there is also a reason to doubt about the way the disciples of Jesus are referred in the Slavonic: At this time there appeared many servants of the previously described wonder-worker, telling the people about their master, that he was still alive although he had died. And [they said,...
by Ken Olson
Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Imperative Humility with the Slavonic Josephus gives the Best Case for a Historical Jesus
Replies: 34
Views: 28026

Re: Imperative Humility with the Slavonic Josephus gives the Best Case for a Historical Jesus

In the video (I go to memory), Zinner points out how the reference to the "servitude" has to be meant as a political 'servitude ', not a spiritual 'servitude'. In the "pauline" epistles we have references only to spiritual servitude. How could the Christian author mean spiritual...
by Ken Olson
Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Imperative Humility with the Slavonic Josephus gives the Best Case for a Historical Jesus
Replies: 34
Views: 28026

Re: Imperative Humility with the Slavonic Josephus gives the Best Case for a Historical Jesus

Hence, in order to persuade me that these propositions are fabricated by a Christian author à la Hegesippus, I need to see some evidence of a Christian author talking in similar terms. The Slavonic version on JBap : And at that time a certain man was going about Judaea, (dressed) in strange garment...
by Ken Olson
Sat Jun 29, 2024 6:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Imperative Humility with the Slavonic Josephus gives the Best Case for a Historical Jesus
Replies: 34
Views: 28026

Re: Imperative Humility with the Slavonic Josephus gives the Best Case for a Historical Jesus

What about the passage on the Baptizer? It shows really something that none Christian interpolator could have written : He came to the Jews and summoned them to freedom, saying: "God hath sent me, that I may show you the way of the Law, wherein ye may free yourselves from many holders of power...