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Still--despite multiple invitations--ignoring earlier attestations of the Teacher, so an interpretation that is excluded. I haven't ignored anything. Tso notes that arguments for multiple copies of 4Q171 are inconclusive and he dates what we have of it to 20 CE to 70 CE, in keeping with Lim (and wh...

Herodian era, even if we were to assume your quite, quite questionable assertion, is before the time of James. Any plausible reading places Teacher and Priest before Herod. I'm not arguing for James being the Teacher, only that the Teacher was a Fourth Philosophic zaddik and that James is cut from ...

Can you just answer one question? Which Hasmonean kings engaged in divorce, polygamy or niece marriage?

No, not all Dead Sea Scrolls can each be dated at any time "from c. 200 BCE to c. 70 CE (and beyond)." Rather, some are earlier and some are later; that is basic history work. Nor not just all available for a speculative New Testament-reinterpreting-preference. There are several methods t...

Like it or not, dating texts, by various concurrent means, is basic. It certainly helps, but for the DSS, it can range from c. 200 BCE to c. 70 CE (and beyond), so in order to narrow down the time frame, we have to look to the internal data. And on that front, the Teacher lived in an age when (for ...

StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 4:18 pm "So enough with the dates..."?!?!?!
No

Enough with focusing on the dates when they are only estimates that can go either way one likes? Yes.

Have you considered, for example, that 4Q171 may be a copy and that, say, the Damascus Document may be earlier? Again, check ALL the texts that mention them, not just the one that, in your interpretation, you like. Again, what is the EARLIEST mention of Teacher of Righteousness or Wicked Priest. Hi...

Again. Consider every mention of the Teacher of Righteousness and the Wicked Priest and determine the earliest that they lived. Well (again), if the Teacher is still alive in 4Q171 and is dead in 1QpHab and CD, and if 4Q171 has a carbon dating of 6 CE to 126 CE, and if Lim dates it up to 70 CE, and...

I did not ask whether, in your opinion, "the majority of the DSS are dated largely to the Herodian era"--starting long before the time of James, btw-- rather, again, again, I asked what is the EARLIEST mention of the Teacher of Righteousness or the Wicked Priest. I guess I don't understan...

I am asking you to properly consider all mentions of these two. And to, among other things, realize that, even if one of them was dead, that means they were earlier than the mention. Well, when I "properly consider" the mention of the Teacher in 4Q171, he is alive. And when I "proper...