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by John2
Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Slaves and office holders in the early church.
Replies: 20
Views: 11104

Re: Slaves and office holders in the early church.

Also 1 Cor. 12:28:

"And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues."

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_corinthians/12-28.htm
by John2
Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:59 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posteriority?
Replies: 106
Views: 48456

Re: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posterior

That's an interesting looking book, Andrew, and I look forward to checking it out more. This is all new territory for me to explore. I've never seen enough "there" (as Stephen puts it) to make anything of what exactly Marcion's gospel was and how it relates to Luke, but I haven't looked de...
by John2
Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:36 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posteriority?
Replies: 106
Views: 48456

Re: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posterior

For me the prologue and Acts are part of the "Josephan structure" of Luke, so if Marcion removed them then he must have been unaware of this structure and therefore not the original author. This is not to say that the orthodox did not also tamper with the original text, though they appear ...
by John2
Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:43 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posteriority?
Replies: 106
Views: 48456

Re: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posterior

Ben wrote: "Between the arguments concerning Papias in MacDonald and those concerning Marcion in various others, I have to admit that it is looking more and more to me like Luke-Acts (the version with Luke 1-2, including the Lucan prologue) postdates both Papias and Marcion. I am still sifting ...
by John2
Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:42 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: The Marcionite gospel with accompanying sources.
Replies: 44
Views: 70471

Re: The Marcionite gospel with accompanying sources.

My knowledge of Marcion is very basic so I've been following this general line of discussion with interest and am keeping an open mind. But one thing that suddenly comes to mind, as I look at the introduction of the Marcionite gospel, is the idea that Luke and Acts imitate Josephus, which seems odd ...
by John2
Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:16 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posteriority?
Replies: 106
Views: 48456

Re: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posterior

Ben wrote: "The combination of both observations, if accurate, would leave us in a position in which neither the synoptics (as a group) nor the Marcionite gospel copied directly from the other; rather, both copied from a previous text of some kind, each making its own changes to that text in so...
by John2
Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Recommended HJ/MJ books?
Replies: 33
Views: 40406

Re: Recommended HJ/MJ books?

Ben, I wasn't aware of "mythicism" until I stumbled upon Neil Godfrey's blog several years ago. Since then I've acquainted myself with Doherty and dipped into Wells and have been watching Carrier carry the torch, and my mythicism research has been mostly online so I can't recommend anythin...
by John2
Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The crucifixion: alternate times and places.
Replies: 33
Views: 35093

Re: The crucifixion: alternate times and places.

Maryhelena wrote (in response to DC Hindley): "... would you suggest that there was no TF at the time Eusebius wrote his history and that he therefore had no knowledge of it's placement of the Jesus crucifixion prior to or around 19 c.e.?" Regarding the placement of the TF (according to Eu...
by John2
Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A Summary History of Christian Origins?
Replies: 62
Views: 41376

Re: A Summary History of Christian Origins?

My view of the origin of Christianity begins with the assumption that it started in pre-70 CE Judea. So I like to look for its roots in sources that come from pre-70 CE Judea, especially the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Damascus Document, for example, refers to a singular Messiah and identifies its sect as...
by John2
Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The crucifixion: alternate times and places.
Replies: 33
Views: 35093

Re: The crucifixion: alternate times and places.

Robert J wrote: "Christ died, was buried, and was resurrected “according to the scriptures”, and this first “appeared” to Cephas." My take on 1 Cor. 15:3-4 is that it doesn't just say that "Christ died" according to the scriptures but that he died "for the sins of us accordi...