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by cienfuegos
Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’
Replies: 425
Views: 203016

Re: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’

Bernard wrote:There is no evidence, that at any times in his apostolic life, Paul was preaching the same message than the others.
Gal 1:14 implies agreement on a true Gospel.
by cienfuegos
Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Gospel of the Lord: How the Early Church Wrote the Story
Replies: 72
Views: 36986

Re: The Gospel of the Lord: How the Early Church Wrote the S

. wrt oral tradition - …We cannot assume that the testimony of two different informants from the same community or even society is really independent. This is very important. In history, proof is given only when two independent sources confirm the same event or situation, but … it is not possible t...
by cienfuegos
Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Were the Gnostics mythicists?
Replies: 75
Views: 38327

Re: Were the Gnostics mythicists?

In the Gospel of Mary, your first example, while the Saviour figure they talk to is post-resurrection, it implies that there was a pre-resurrection Jesus on earth as well, i.e. "But they [the apostles] were distressed and wept greatly. "How are we going to go out to the rest of the world ...
by cienfuegos
Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’
Replies: 425
Views: 203016

Re: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’

Hi cienfuegos, how do you deal with Gal. 1:18, where Paul (assuming it's by Paul) says, "Three years after that [i.e. his return to Damascus from Arabia] I went up to Jerusalem to get to know Cephas, with whom I stayed fifteen days" (NAB). Assuming that Cephas = Simon Peter = Jesus' main ...
by cienfuegos
Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’
Replies: 425
Views: 203016

Re: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’

If the idea is that Paul learned details of the historical Jesus from the "pillars" James, Peter and John during those two weeks in Jerusalem then we have a problem with the evidence. As Kurt Noll himself has pointed out, the evidence we have is that what Paul himself taught is what was a...
by cienfuegos
Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’
Replies: 425
Views: 203016

Re: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’

I am mostly addressing the Gospels. Some of the epistles attributed to Paul may be authentic first hand writings. However, anything he says about Jesus is second-hand and even beyond that, he himself claims that he didn't even learn about Jesus from other people, but from Jesus, who by that time ha...
by cienfuegos
Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’
Replies: 425
Views: 203016

Re: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’

However, anything he says about Jesus is second-hand and even beyond that, he himself claims that he didn't even learn about Jesus from other people, but from Jesus, who by that time had passed, himself. Hi cienfuegos, how do you deal with Gal. 1:18, where Paul (assuming it's by Paul) says, "T...
by cienfuegos
Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Methodology for weighing ancient sources
Replies: 22
Views: 16840

Re: Methodology for weighing ancient sources

Thought I'd resurrect this thread because there are folks on here who weren't active when it was posted. Many of our discussions have to do with methodology. Matthew Ferguson's proposed criteria for weighing sources in ancient history seem a good point of departure. Here is the link to Ferguson's b...
by cienfuegos
Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Methodology for weighing ancient sources
Replies: 22
Views: 16840

Re: Methodology for weighing ancient sources

1. distance from the event to the record. on rapid growth of myths, he cites Kris Komarnitsky on A.N. Sherwin-White’s two generation rule for the historical core to be erased: http://bibleinterp.com/articles/2013/kom378030.shtml 2. first-hand vs. second-hand accounts If we have a 'first hand accoun...
by cienfuegos
Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’
Replies: 425
Views: 203016

Re: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’

^If you agree that Caesar Augustus existed, and you agree that the NT attests to the existence of Caesar Augustus, then you agree with outhouse's statement that "The NT is factually not devoid of historical data". Some of you guys are so quick to pounce on everything without actually comp...