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by cienfuegos
Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’
Replies: 425
Views: 203039

Re: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’

^Where have I missed this? You either do not get it or are doubling down on a completely trivial point. If you accept that fiction also is not devoid of facts, then tell me what your methodology is for deriving "sound historical conclusions" from the Gospels. You recognize that the mere p...
by cienfuegos
Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’
Replies: 425
Views: 203039

Re: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’

^If you agree that Caesar Augustus existed, and you agree that the NT attests to the existence of Caesar Augustus, then you agree with outhouse's statement that "The NT is factually not devoid of historical data". Some of you guys are so quick to pounce on everything without actually comp...
by cienfuegos
Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’
Replies: 425
Views: 203039

Re: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’

These are contradictory bare-assertions: superficial meaningless statements without substantiation. Actually, what I stated is fact in this context. The NT is factually not devoid of historical data. What factual historical data does the NT contain? That Custer died at the Battle of Little Big Horn...
by cienfuegos
Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’
Replies: 425
Views: 203039

Re: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’

http://historical-jesus.info/author.html Cordially, Bernard Bernards philosophy. Looks good to me. I found most important the requirement for no bias from apologist and no bias from anti theist, and no conforming ones hypothesis to ones personal needs without honest substantiation. Every scholarshi...
by cienfuegos
Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Were the Gnostics mythicists?
Replies: 75
Views: 38327

Re: Were the Gnostics mythicists?

AFAIK the Jesus who appears in all the gnostic gospels and acts is invariably a "Post Resurrection" Jesus. No, Jesus appears on earth prior to the crucifixion in Gnosticism. The Christ "spirit" descends from the pleroma and enters the body of the earthling Jesus. He is not cruci...
by cienfuegos
Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’
Replies: 425
Views: 203039

Re: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’

Here is something to chew on, I feel needs repeating. I will go on the offensive being I rarely do. The largest error of the mythicist is that they are not looking at evidence to recreate history. They are only attempting to deconstruct evidence to destroy history. Then they cherry pick the hell ou...
by cienfuegos
Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’
Replies: 425
Views: 203039

Re: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’

In the interest of continued dialogue, I was going to overlook outhouse's dis ingenuity on this point. Engaging outhouse is frustrating though
by cienfuegos
Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’
Replies: 425
Views: 203039

Re: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’

No one is playing your game. I don't know who this is directed at, but my game is to make a distinction between "sound historical conclusions" arrived at through the application of standard historical methods and assertions of "sound historical conclusions" arrived by analyzing ...
by cienfuegos
Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier vs. Rent-an-Apologist on Historicity of Jesus
Replies: 46
Views: 32622

Re: Carrier vs. Rent-an-Apologist on Historicity of Jesus

ep-AN7U4OLg I guess if you've read On the Historicity and the standard rebuttals against it you won't find too much new, but worth seeing it played out in debate format. This was my youtube comment which I'll simply copy and paste: Fantastic debate. Horn definitely exposed some of the weak points i...
by cienfuegos
Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’
Replies: 425
Views: 203039

Re: Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’

I have seen both you and toejam claiming "sound historical conclusions" while refusing to apply standard historical methods. Instead you apply methods that are able to uncover facts from fiction . That's a problem with your argument. You still don't get it. Neither myself or outhouse are ...