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When I debated Doherty on whether the Second Century apologists believed in an earthly historical Jesus or not, one of the key criticisms I made was that Doherty hadn't evaluated all the literature. Doherty believed that the lack of references to Jesus meant that writers like Tatian, Athenagoras, M...

Clive wrote:Wasn't there a song in Fiddler in the Roof "Indifference"?

I think it was "Tradition."

What the Hebrew actually says is 100% irrelevant. As far as I can understand what the Hebrew says is 100% relevant to the OP. What I would like to understand is who was in the author's mind if indeed he did sometimes speak of a single person as the Servant. The author here is the author(s) of the H...

Given that some version of the passage seems to have been in Marcion, we should IMO be hesitant to regard it as entirely an interpolation. Andrew Criddle What about an early interpolation? I see no issue with placing it early. Two points. 1/ I have doubts about whether we can normally identify very...

"for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they understand." Does anyone here know where I can locate studies that argue what/who might have been the contemporary reference for Isaiah's Servant as an individual? Most discussions I can fi...

"for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they understand." Does anyone here know where I can locate studies that argue what/who might have been the contemporary reference for Isaiah's Servant as an individual? Most discussions I can fi...

Carrier doesn't make much use of 1 John that I can find. On 1 John, Carriers writes that: Page 528 The epistles of James and 1 Peter are also oddly silent about a historical Jesus-an oddity later rectified by the forgery of a second letter from Peter (see Chapter 8, § 1 2), and perhaps by the forge...

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Clive wrote: And who says there wasn't a middle class?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Licinius_Crassus

Is not evidence of middle class in rural Galilee.

He was rich, period.

What do you mean by "middle class?"

"He was rich" relative to what?

"Paul wrote before the Jewish War, which began in 66, and probably before the Neronian persecution of 64 (if such there was), as neither are ever mentioned in his letters..." Nor are such things mentioned in the inauthentic Pauline epistles. Using Carrier's own logic, that means they pre-...

cienfuegos said: "If you apply the very same methodology to accepted "truths" like "John baptized Jesus," " I've never "accepted it as a "truth", only a sound historical conclusion. Sound historical conclusions are not claims of truth. I think this is wh...