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Ok, defend this widely accepted historical fact: John baptized Jesus. Tell me, how do scholars defend this "historical fact?" That's all I am asking. Formally speaking you are probably correct that the arguments usually given to defend the historicity of the baptism of Jesus by John are a...

So, let's try this: How did the author of the Gospel of Mark know that Jesus was baptized by John? Who was his source? Who was the source of that source? If we go back to the beginning, who was the original witness who passed along this historical fact, one of the facts considered most secure by hi...

cienfuegos, it's clear we're not getting anywhere. Look, at the end of the day you have your suspicion on the claimed association between Jesus and John the Baptist and I have mine. Neither of us are claiming any degree of certainty or even abundant confidence, so I don't know why you're playing th...

MAJOR SUB-POINT: I hear the claim a lot that "most" scholars think 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 is an interpolation. Sorry to pop up here, guys, but the following didn't seem important enough for a separate thread: does anyone know whether Richard Carrier had already come to agree with Doherty...

Different scholars state different things on this topic. I told you this in what my first post. Do you actually know of any by name and have sources? from recent non apologetic scholars? You could bring up old work like EP Sanders who goes into detail about the different models before spitting out ...

A couple of points, cienfuegos. I'll address the others when I get home from work. "The problem is you accept "face value" as a "sound historical conclusion." The problem is I don't accept it at face value. Once again it shows that you're still stuck in "debating Chris...

So how do you defend that it is "sound historical conclusion" that John baptized Jesus? How do you know that Jesus was anywhere near John at any point in his lifetime? Asked and already answered: For starters, I don't "know". It is defendable in that it is attested to in the ear...

One thing that rankles me about descriptions of "mythicism" (and I just finished watching the Richard Carrier-Trent Horn debate, so maybe you all will indulge my diversion) is the lack of understanding that early Christians did not believe they worshipped a "mythical Jesus." The...

NOT SO! Hellenist ROMANS DID NOT create the NT deity. Sheshbazzar Posting from emotion belittles one self. Lets look at the first NT author who holds a large portion of the NT writings. A Hellenist A Roman citizen What world are you writing from? This is not sci fi That writer reports that there we...

It is much better to worship this man as the "son of god" instead of the Emperor as "son of god" a corrupt politician. And by placing him as son of a more powerful god then the pagan god, jesus became popular in Hellenistic circles, the religion factually gained steam. Ok. Avoid...