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by cienfuegos
Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Illetirate nutter or edumacated upper class?
Replies: 57
Views: 31260

Re: Illetirate nutter or educated upper class?

I think the reasoning of the TV producers in what you quote is poor,. I posted it because it matches exactly what scholars state on the topic, so you would be in error to state the quote is poor. I have heard these words from both Reed and Patterson's lips. Andersons review is one thing, im using t...
by cienfuegos
Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus Studies Historiography
Replies: 167
Views: 104575

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

If it was an embarrassing datum, why would early Christians have passed it along? . Because it had become common knowledge. You cannot deny the truth, you have to live with it, whether you like it or not. How did it become common knowledge? What is your evidence that it was common knowledge? Why wo...
by cienfuegos
Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus Studies Historiography
Replies: 167
Views: 104575

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

One of the arguments in favor of the historicity of the Baptism of Jesus by John is the criterion of embarrassment, i.e. that it is a story which the early Christian Church would have never wanted to invent.[70][71][72] If it was an embarrassing datum, why would early Christians have passed it alon...
by cienfuegos
Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus Studies Historiography
Replies: 167
Views: 104575

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

Here are the methodological considerations that are relevant to using gMark as reliable source (same link as above): (1) On whose primary testimony does the secondary witness base his statements? (2) Did the secondary witness accurately report the primary testimony as a whole? (3) If not, in what de...
by cienfuegos
Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus Studies Historiography
Replies: 167
Views: 104575

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

Argument from ignorance of credible historical studies, and ignorance of the evidence. Scholars are almost unanimous in that H1 happened with certainty. The fact you don't find it plausible is a personal issue, not one of credible research on the topic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus...
by cienfuegos
Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus Studies Historiography
Replies: 167
Views: 104575

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

My point is that we do not have sufficient evidence to accept H1, by standard, accepted methodological practice. . Argument from ignorance of credible historical studies, and ignorance of the evidence. Scholars are almost unanimous in that H1 happened with certainty. The fact you don't find it plau...
by cienfuegos
Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus Studies Historiography
Replies: 167
Views: 104575

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

We have discovered evidence of evolution that was created contemporaneously with event we wish to examine. Organisms died and their remains were fossilized. Second, we have a theory of how evolution occurs and,third, we know the molecular mechanisms that provide for the evolution of species. We can...
by cienfuegos
Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus Studies Historiography
Replies: 167
Views: 104575

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

Bzzzt. I've already answered you - I don't know. I never claimed to be able to tell you how Mark knows John baptised Jesus. I never claimed to have a provable answer. So how do you defend that it is "sound historical conclusion" that John baptized Jesus? How do you know that Jesus was any...
by cienfuegos
Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus Studies Historiography
Replies: 167
Views: 104575

Re: Jesus Studies Historiography

cienfuegos wrote: Well, that's the whole problem then, isn't it? This isn't doing history. You are making guesses and you have no actual source of information. In some respects, this is how "doing history" works. You run things down as far as you can and then attempt to come up with reaso...
by cienfuegos
Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Isaiah's Servant in original context
Replies: 42
Views: 31526

Re: Isaiah's Servant in original context

Does anyone here know where I can locate studies that argue what/who might have been the contemporary reference for Isaiah's Servant as an individual? Most discussions I can find acknowledge the Servant is alternately depicted as a collective (Israel) and as an individual person. What I would like ...