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by Sheshbazzar
Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Best Reason to Doubt Pliny Reference to Christianity
Replies: 28
Views: 24469

Re: Best Reason to Doubt Pliny Reference to Christianity

I for one like and accept the Pliny correspondence just as it is; Neither threats nor torture were able to extract from these circa 112 CE christians that they believed in (or had ever even heard of) a zombie "Jesus of Nazareth" who "had died for their sins", "rose from the ...
by Sheshbazzar
Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How a Fictional Jesus Gave Rise to Christianity
Replies: 31
Views: 25962

Re: How a Fictional Jesus Gave Rise to Christianity

Is "the Hebrew religious concept of the 'go'al', a person that 'pays the price' required to 'redeem' another" a long-standing concept? ie. a long-standing one BC/BCE? and one that has persisted until today? The pattern of redemption is laid down in the Law; 47. Now if a sojourner or stran...
by Sheshbazzar
Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How a Fictional Jesus Gave Rise to Christianity
Replies: 31
Views: 25962

Re: How a Fictional Jesus Gave Rise to Christianity

' Mark 1:1-2 1.Ἀρχὴ τοῦ εὐαγγελίου Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ θεοῦ "The Beginning of the gospel of Ἰησοῦ Christ, the Son of THEOS ", _(the fiction)_ 2 .Ὡς γέγραπται As it is written;" (Mk 1:1 & 2) The real BEGINNING of the fictional tale of 'Jesus' christus of Nazareth; LXX Num 13:16....
by Sheshbazzar
Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Laying cards on the table...
Replies: 140
Views: 81591

Re: Laying cards on the table...

Sorry Stephan, but as you know, indifference to common ignorance and error, or to the plight of my fellow man, or my people, simply is not me
by Sheshbazzar
Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Laying cards on the table...
Replies: 140
Views: 81591

Re: Laying cards on the table...

That surprise you? I would need to see some evidence before I could bring myself to believe it. I can understand scattered individuals but not "a good many non-Fundamentalists" -- no. (Of course many believe Jesus was an ordinary man etc -- but that's not the same thing.) Most who get fed...
by Sheshbazzar
Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Laying cards on the table...
Replies: 140
Views: 81591

Re: Laying cards on the table...

That surprise you? The more serious and intellectually honest they are, just like atheists, the more aware they become of the discrepancies, and of the early Christian church's known engagement in fictions and forgeries. 'Cognitive dissonance' can and does bring some few back to rationality. When on...
by Sheshbazzar
Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Laying cards on the table...
Replies: 140
Views: 81591

Re: Laying cards on the table...

If Jews don't need a historical Abraham then why can't Christians get along without a historical Jesus? A good many non-Fundamentalists Christians do. The actual 'historicity' of Jesus is of little importance or significance in their choice to be called, or join in humanitarian works as a 'Christia...
by Sheshbazzar
Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Laying cards on the table...
Replies: 140
Views: 81591

Re: Laying cards on the table...

If Jews don't need a historical Abraham then why can't Christians get along without a historical Jesus? How many Jews don't believe in a historical Abraham? I'm not a Jew, but I am aware that there are a great many Jewish people who have no problem with accepting that Abraham, as well as Adam and E...
by Sheshbazzar
Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Laying cards on the table...
Replies: 140
Views: 81591

Re: Laying cards on the table...

that Abram the Hebrew was himself an atheist . Which I view as a literary creation, who never existed. So do I John. That however in no wise affects the fact that this mythical character (as many others) has been a integral part of the HEBREW mythos cultural milieu for as long as there has been a p...
by Sheshbazzar
Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Laying cards on the table...
Replies: 140
Views: 81591

Re: Laying cards on the table...

As such they were off on an evolving tangent of their own, Maybe Hellenist were perverting Judaism because Proselytes had no real loyalty to Judaism? Other then the monotheistic deity. Much that you wrote over the last few posts that I could agree with. Certainly I agree with an observation that 'H...