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by stephan happy huller
Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thoughts on Maurice Casey's new book
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And there is a new wrinkle to consider also (I have never paid much attention to fifth century works before). The translator notes "The anti-Pelagian Dialogue is the last of Jerome's controversial works, having been written in the year 417, within three years of his death." Ok. But the spe...
by stephan happy huller
Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thoughts on Maurice Casey's new book
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Here we go exactly as I suspected. Jerome dies in 420. The 'sudden appearance' of an Aramaic 'Gospel according to the Hebrews' which is identified as identical with 'according to Matthew occurs in 416 as Driver helps provide context for Against Pelagius In the last decade of Jerome's life, Pelagius ...
by stephan happy huller
Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thoughts on Maurice Casey's new book
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I want the reader to pay close attention to the citation from the Gospel according to the Hebrews: “Behold, the mother of our Lord and His brethren said to Him, John Baptist baptizes for the remission of sins; let us go and be baptized by him. But He said to them, what sin have I committed that I sh...
by stephan happy huller
Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thoughts on Maurice Casey's new book
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Hmmm. The argument in book three seems to be about 'free will' and baptism. What was at the heart of the Origenist controversies a generation earlier? The discussion here seems to echo many topics associated with Origenism. Notice what his opponent says immediately after his citation: Talk as you li...
by stephan happy huller
Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thoughts on Maurice Casey's new book
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I love having the opportunity to engage with someone like you so I can't help but be favorably disposed toward any speculation on your part. It comes from an informed mind. That's all that matters. He's some wild (or at least wilder) speculation on my part. Another critical issue to consider here wh...
by stephan happy huller
Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thoughts on Maurice Casey's new book
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And the claim that the 'overlap' in the twelfth and thirteenth chapters of the Greek and Latin copies of the Commentary is supposed to 'prove' that the Latin text wasn't derived from the original Origenist sections is typical scholarly superficiality. I can remember from memory reading the section i...
by stephan happy huller
Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thoughts on Maurice Casey's new book
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So Origen had access to the Gospel according to the Hebrews, Jerome says he and Origen translated the same text, he cites Origen citing the Gospel according to the Hebrews, what Origen cites from the Gospel according to the Hebrews is wildly different from canonical Matthew but in this instance - pr...
by stephan happy huller
Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thoughts on Maurice Casey's new book
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But that's nonsense. The citations that Jerome gives from the Gospel according to the Hebrews are often completely at odds with Matthew. Origen must have been using the same text at the Caesarea library and produces even wilder references. If the historical Jesus wasn't at stake I don't think you'd ...
by stephan happy huller
Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thoughts on Maurice Casey's new book
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A good point but the various statements in Jerome suggest that he is dealing with a targum (translation) of the original Hebrew text that he came across in his travels: http://books.google.com/books?id=Vs9YXAB_axYC&pg=PA32&dq=%22the+use+of+sermone+in+the+singular+suggests+that%22&hl=en&a...
by stephan happy huller
Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thoughts on Maurice Casey's new book
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The question concerns the lingua franca of the population of Palestine, not the language employed in writing the Torah. If we are assuming that 'Jews' wrote the gospel (who else would write a Hebrew text) and the Torah gives 613 commandments, by what authority did the Jewish Christian converts undo...