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by outhouse
Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark Wrote for Highly Educated People
Replies: 65
Views: 35359

Re: Mark Wrote for Highly Educated People

. The trick was how to create a text that reads as if it were as ancient and authoritative as the Septuagint, but was actually written last week? Its almost non sequitur bud Daniel is some very important text for the origins of Christianity bringing in new Jewish practices, and that book did not ha...
by outhouse
Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark Wrote for Highly Educated People
Replies: 65
Views: 35359

Re: Mark Wrote for Highly Educated People

. The trick was how to create a text that reads as if it were as ancient and authoritative as the Septuagint, but was actually written last week? Its almost non sequitur bud Daniel is some very important text for the origins of Christianity bringing in new Jewish practices, and that book did not ha...
by outhouse
Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 258153

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

I would quibble with the statement that the "authors [of the canonical Gospels] were Roman citizens." It was not until around the 3rd century that every free person was granted universal Roman citizenship. Some town and city based Christians might have had city or colony citizenship if th...
by outhouse
Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 258153

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

The belief that John the Baptist existed is of no use to determine whether or not there was an actual person called Jesus of Nazareth. In addition, Christian writings declare Jesus of Nazareth was the resurrected son of God. People in the time of Pilate [even today] believed that mythological figur...
by outhouse
Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 258153

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

It ain't Peter. It ain't this guy either. There may have been someone who lived in Galilee and the rest of the Story fits 100% as you say. It just wasn't anyone that we are looking at today. CW I believe John the Baptist was historical. I believe his murder was political to some extent, even if jus...
by outhouse
Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 258153

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

It is Political and Historical. 100% agreed. The whole political landscape changed, these were not the oppressed Galilean Aramaic jews that started trouble in the temple, that factually ended up causing the destruction often eluded to. The authors were Koine speaking Roman citizens who did not want...
by outhouse
Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 258153

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

My whole point. If a Galilean was crucified at Passover and people martyred his perceived sacrifice and made him a god, as Hellenist divorced cultural Judaism, what religious evidence would they leave? Exactly what we possess is the exact progression we see it in. 100% exact fit like a glove. Ever m...
by outhouse
Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 258153

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

The rules for the verification of Jesus' historicity are the exception to how historians verify historical persons and events. False. The methods used applies to almost all history from this time period where there is less textual evidence. Your statement is false. Can you support it with evidence ...
by outhouse
Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 258153

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

Funny we do not know if Apollonius of Tyana influenced legends of jesus or the other way around.

Either way does anyone claim he is fictitious?
by outhouse
Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 258153

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

It's basically a mirror image of the claim that mythicists are demanding more justification than usually is used for "comparable history." What are some "comparable histories"? Apollonius of Tyana, Apsethus the Libyan, Hillel the Elder. Honi the Circle-Drawer as well