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by outhouse
Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is the Rejection of Jewish Origin for Xristianity = Laziness
Replies: 195
Views: 123098

Re: Is the Rejection of Jewish Origin for Xristianity = Lazi

Christianity developed as a Jewish sect of some kind and so it follows - 1. if Jesus was a man he was a Jewish man 2. if Jesus was a God he was a Jewish god Wrong, as it is to dynamic to be broken down like that Stephan. #1 yes 100% correct. Who has issue with this????????? #2 NO dead no. He was no...
by outhouse
Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Acts as fiction by Richard Carrier
Replies: 135
Views: 93381

Re: Acts as fiction by Richard Carrier

Acts has to be historical in some way because Christians didn't make things up, . Some things in Acts are historical because we said so. Not because of some apologetic nonsense as you so poorly claim. It would be great if you had a clue in context here. Snide remarks from the cheap seats is a sign ...
by outhouse
Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Brodie vs Carrier on historicity of NT Paul
Replies: 102
Views: 60520

Re: Brodie vs Carrier on historicity of NT Paul

Don't question Paul! garbage talk Only an idiot would do so. Paul has been studied ad nauseam, only idiots question was has been completely refuted for a long time. It amazes me that people are that willing to accept any narrative that the Bible throws out there because It amazes me the lengths the...
by outhouse
Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Brodie vs Carrier on historicity of NT Paul
Replies: 102
Views: 60520

Re: Brodie vs Carrier on historicity of NT Paul

Blood wrote:
Why expect logic from ancient theologians?

Yes, and with study we see their logic. It is not our logic, and the context is obvious.
by outhouse
Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Brodie vs Carrier on historicity of NT Paul
Replies: 102
Views: 60520

Re: Brodie vs Carrier on historicity of NT Paul

It's in the Bible so it must be true somehow. That's what this argument boils down to. Dodging the point. Merely reversing that argument is no good either. In all cases that I know of when documents have been forged, or legendary figures created (Protocols of Zion, William Tell) the forgery or wish...
by outhouse
Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Brodie vs Carrier on historicity of NT Paul
Replies: 102
Views: 60520

Re: Brodie vs Carrier on historicity of NT Paul

Blood wrote:It's in the Bible so it must be true somehow. That's what this argument boils down to.
Who uses that sort of methodology in any credible scholarship?

No one. Poor strawman.
by outhouse
Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Acts as fiction by Richard Carrier
Replies: 135
Views: 93381

Re: Acts as fiction by Richard Carrier

RC is definitely is poisoning the well here. To me he is as guilty as when he talked about zeitgeist in his early days, he might as well be talking about himself now. There really is need to go over the top here. The rhetoric mythology and fiction are all taken into context as a Greek Novel in all c...
by outhouse
Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is the Rejection of Jewish Origin for Xristianity = Laziness
Replies: 195
Views: 123098

Re: Is the Rejection of Jewish Origin for Xristianity = Lazi

But Judaism is an insular cultural for better or worse . You think this applies during this period? It became insular, evolving from many different multi cultural aspects for over a thousands years before that took hold. And again the point of the thread was to say - can we limit the investigation ...
by outhouse
Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Brodie vs Carrier on historicity of NT Paul
Replies: 102
Views: 60520

Re: Brodie vs Carrier on historicity of NT Paul

People who are have absolute convictions of the correctness of their beliefs and preferences will not be dissuaded by logical argument. The arguments that I have seen for the fictitious character of Paul do not appreciate the myriad of difficulties with this position. While there is indeed a possib...
by outhouse
Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Brodie vs Carrier on historicity of NT Paul
Replies: 102
Views: 60520

Re: Brodie vs Carrier on historicity of NT Paul

Blood wrote:
There's nothing "sophisticated" here. It's just a bunch of monks scribbling their religious fantasies on papyri.
Only if you wish to throw out cultural and social anthropology, and stick your head in the sand to what is really known with a high degree of plausibility.