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by outhouse
Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The quest for the historical Christian communities
Replies: 22
Views: 16464

Re: The quest for the historical Christian communities

As you probably know Richard Bauckham argues that the evidence is against the assumption of such distinctly sealed communities. I would doubt they were sealed as well. I found the article poorly written. Why do people still use the word church when these were houses, Pater Familias. Your not going ...
by outhouse
Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The quest for the historical Christian communities
Replies: 22
Views: 16464

Re: The quest for the historical Christian communities

What do we know about the Christian communities? Because much of the text are compilations. Had they not been communities collecting pieces, you might see more text similar to the attributed epistles that were not compilations. "for the most part". Do you have a reason to distrust the hea...
by outhouse
Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Two New Articles on Testimonium Flavianum
Replies: 108
Views: 123441

Re: Two New Articles on Testimonium Flavianum

I'd be willing to put $100 on Luke using Jospehus. I'd take that bet LOL. As to where I would posit a common source for both circulating in the Diaspora at about the same time. Luke is a compilation that plagiarizes GMark, so that community was throwing together their own little version of what was...
by outhouse
Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Two New Articles on Testimonium Flavianum
Replies: 108
Views: 123441

Re: Two New Articles on Testimonium Flavianum

toejam wrote:The TF is a coin toss.
Agreed

I have no real argument. Never relied on it either though.
by outhouse
Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Two New Articles on Testimonium Flavianum
Replies: 108
Views: 123441

Re: Two New Articles on Testimonium Flavianum

Peter Kirby wrote:
I for one am not sure whether Jesus lived, anyway. I don't think of myself as a "mythicist."

Dirty agnosticist :mrgreen:
by outhouse
Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Brodie vs Carrier on historicity of NT Paul
Replies: 102
Views: 60513

Re: Brodie vs Carrier on historicity of NT Paul

If one is searching for early christian origins, then it matters whether the Pauline epistles are 'historicized fiction' or history. True very valuable, in both states. We have historicized fiction, and history. Pauls rhetorical prose get ignored all of a sudden? If the epistles are history then th...
by outhouse
Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Paul Josephus?
Replies: 127
Views: 84036

Re: Was Paul Josephus?

Argument from ignorance Argumentum ad ignorantiam There are lots of stories of shipwrecks in ancient literature. It would be almost impossible for any literate person not to have some knowledge of the common formula they use. Agreed. Add the rhetorical prose they were al trained to wrote in, there ...
by outhouse
Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate
Replies: 139
Views: 95860

Re: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate

The idea that the Jews interpreted Paul's teaching as requiring faith in an executed criminal is gratuitous. If he was really thought to have taught that he'd hardly be whipped but ridiculed as an idiot. Punishment ignores that these laws were more traditions then actual laws themelves. They often ...
by outhouse
Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate
Replies: 139
Views: 95860

Re: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate

Agree. But from what I have been learning I am coming to see Judaism itself as an epitome of Hellenism (blend of Greek and Asiatic ideas/influences). Judaism was itself the creation of Hellenism. Not for all. Judaism is a hard thing to define in the first century. Multi cultural, and not everyone w...
by outhouse
Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:51 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Genesis 1 & 2
Replies: 126
Views: 140277

Re: Genesis 1 & 2

While very old work, it is still the foundation for many studies on the topic.


http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/log/log06.htm