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by outhouse
Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Political allegory in the 'exoteric' legend of Jesus
Replies: 58
Views: 67074

Re: Political allegory in the 'exoteric' legend of Jesus

It is not history, and never was history. . Gmark was written as a sort of history that was intended to be history, just not in a style we associate as history. Heavy use of rhetoric, allegory and mythology. Political history is laughable, and I agree with you. The early movement was far removed fr...
by outhouse
Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Political allegory in the 'exoteric' legend of Jesus
Replies: 58
Views: 67074

Re: Political allegory in the 'exoteric' legend of Jesus

Granted that 1st century (pre-gospel) Christianity involved a purely celestial Christ figure (as well-argued by Doherty, Carrier, et al)... ... It is Granted that a purely celestial jesus figure is laughable. It has been busted for over a hundred years, and the few people who are playing with this ...
by outhouse
Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate
Replies: 139
Views: 95860

Re: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate

spin wrote:
John T wrote:I give it a high probability that when Paul claimed scripture had prophesied the resurrection of Christ that the scripture he was referring to was from the Essenes.
You have no "scripture" from the Essenes. .
Exactly.
by outhouse
Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:41 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Did Moses Exist? The Myth of the Israelite Lawgiver
Replies: 50
Views: 91488

Re: Did Moses Exist? The Myth of the Israelite Lawgiver

Mental flatliner wrote:
In addition, there are too many events in the Old Testament that have been confirmed
And many are claimed to be mythical in nature, and or literary creations after monotheistic redactions.



It would be great if you came in here with something besides biblical ignorance to debate with.
by outhouse
Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:39 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Did Moses Exist? The Myth of the Israelite Lawgiver
Replies: 50
Views: 91488

Re: Did Moses Exist? The Myth of the Israelite Lawgiver

You should have read the Old Testament (which was my source). The Old Testament is, in and of itself, a legitimate historical source, On what planet? :tombstone: Your view has been long dead. Moses has no historicity at all, that is a fact. It is also factual that Israelites formed from displaces C...
by outhouse
Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ancient texts and manuscripts
Replies: 10
Views: 6850

Re: Ancient texts and manuscripts

--- was there just one manuscript somewhere in a library? It would be based on a text by text basis after study. One? not likely. Popularity and importance, dictated how many were in circulation. There were very few well educated people compared to the masses, these educated people wanted to get th...
by outhouse
Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Weakness of Carrier/Doherty Heavenly Sacrifice
Replies: 25
Views: 19109

Re: Weakness of Carrier/Doherty Heavenly Sacrifice

The characterization of the suffering, death, and resurrection of the Christ as a heavenly event --- as taking place in a cosmic, spiritual realm --- is, in my opinion, a significant weakness in the Carrier/Doherty school of Christ Myth thought. . Correct. Ity is not only weak, it has no real follo...
by outhouse
Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 659545

Re: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?

Way to much word salad going on. Nothing explains this as simple as a man who was martyred after passover, and a culture who was never really on board with Judaism but wanted one god, found inportance in the mythgology that grew around the martyrdom. And THAT is exactly what we have and see. No use ...
by outhouse
Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mislabelling in Historicist Versus Mythicist Debate
Replies: 32
Views: 22583

Re: Mislabelling in Historicist Versus Mythicist Debate

While the label "mythicist" has been in use to refer to Christ Myth exponents since the early twentieth century it, too, is somewhat misleading and has become a standard descriptor only in recent years. . Agreed. Allthough I do think anyone semi in the game understand clearly and in conte...
by outhouse
Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mislabelling in Historicist Versus Mythicist Debate
Replies: 32
Views: 22583

Re: Mislabelling in Historicist Versus Mythicist Debate

For us, it is the so-called "Mythicists" who are doing pure history or trying to keep history pure from mythological inventions, I challenge that statement. More often then not, the so called "myhicist" christ myth hypothesis followers. Are the ones who have the least knoweldge ...