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by Clive
Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospels as "euhemerized" stories about Jesus?
Replies: 175
Views: 152418

Re: Gospels as "euhemerized" stories about Jesus?

What if before the Greeks, and continuing afterwards, people did not often make hard and fast distinctions between the gods and the world? Maybe "supernatural" is an eleventh century ce category? Genesis - God walked in the garden. Gods becoming historical and kings becoming gods are then ...
by Clive
Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Jesus Die in Outer Space?
Replies: 240
Views: 196161

Re: Did Jesus Die in Outer Space?

23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side [e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. Genesis 3 https://w...
by Clive
Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How mythicists are perceived by students and academics
Replies: 90
Views: 86384

Re: How mythicists are perceived by students and academics

The both and proposal is definitely worth exploring and should be testable.

A heavenly Jesus conjoined with a real one (but what Jesus? Rabbi? upperclass, wandering nutter?)

Is a heavenly Jesus a reasonable conclusion of itself, without extrapolating it?
by Clive
Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mythicists: Promoting religious agendas?
Replies: 125
Views: 92480

Re: Mythicists: Promoting religious agendas?

I formally propose the gospels `are anarchist formist romances!
by Clive
Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bernard Muller's 'case'
Replies: 51
Views: 26102

Re: Bernard Muller's 'case'

Bernard, something you posted about lists about this and that makes me wonder what you think of Dake? And on a general point, I thought there is a good argument that Jesus would have been from a wealthy well educated family, having relations like Joseph of Arimathea who could afford to take him to B...
by Clive
Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mythicists: Promoting religious agendas?
Replies: 125
Views: 92480

Re: Mythicists: Promoting religious agendas?

Take the plank out of your own eye before worrying about the speck in someone elses? Is there such a thing as being agenda free?
by Clive
Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Jesus Die in Outer Space?
Replies: 240
Views: 196161

Re: Did Jesus Die in Outer Space?

Why are there so many variants like docetism and gnosticism? Why the theological effort to impose a solution?

Maybe there was a problem to solve to begin with?
by Clive
Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:29 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Jesus Die in Outer Space?
Replies: 240
Views: 196161

Re: Did Jesus Die in Outer Space?

In the popular BBC sitcom Only Fools and Horses, Trigger (a roadsweeper) declares he has won an award for keeping the same broom for 20 years — "17 new heads and 14 new handles".[12] This has become known as the "Trigger's Broom" paradox
by Clive
Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Jesus Die in Outer Space?
Replies: 240
Views: 196161

Re: Did Jesus Die in Outer Space?

The ship of Theseus, also known as Theseus' paradox, is a thought experiment that raises the question of whether an object which has had all its components replaced remains fundamentally the same object. The paradox is most notably recorded by Plutarch in Life of Theseus from the late 1st century. ...
by Clive
Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Jesus Die in Outer Space?
Replies: 240
Views: 196161

Re: Did Jesus Die in Outer Space?

Why does it seem so difficult to take off the preconceived notions and assumptions about what something says and actually read what is there? And then ask what are all these similar statements and theological assertions about? Born of a woman, virgin birth, baptism, death and resurrection, ascension...