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by Clive
Sun May 15, 2016 10:58 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: The genre of the gospels.
Replies: 165
Views: 108169

Re: The genre of the gospels.

Is Jesus the peasant a new one in contrast to the emperor Christ? May we expect churches named that? But why not Jesus the slave eunuch then?
by Clive
Sun May 15, 2016 10:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 3-Year Ministry Timeline of Jesus
Replies: 343
Views: 150949

Re: 3-Year Ministry Timeline of Jesus

May we look at the wedding in Cana? It might have been his wedding. The use of Hera's wine trick is fascinating as it is the sort of thing the very elite of society would do. So what is the class of this Jesus? He could actually be a senior eunuch slave in a very wealthy household possibly of the gr...
by Clive
Sun May 15, 2016 7:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Passover & the passion narrative before Mark.
Replies: 59
Views: 31069

Re: Passover & the passion narrative before Mark.

Isn't there five dimensional chess happening here, so that there are not only sandwiches in the text, but discussions with readers? So this is very complex writing, with elements of a play.

The above can be read as a discussion of Shakespeare
by Clive
Sun May 15, 2016 7:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and Christ
Replies: 40
Views: 21250

Re: Jesus and Christ

Isn't it a very simple argument? Someone walks into a cave, makes a sound and hears an echo. What is the echo? The gods speaking back or a noise reflecting? Theological explanation or scientific explanation. Go with the gods speaking back philosophy. What should I do to communicate with them? We hav...
by Clive
Sun May 15, 2016 6:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and Christ
Replies: 40
Views: 21250

Re: Jesus and Christ

Overwhelmed or three monkeys?
by Clive
Sun May 15, 2016 3:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did the Marcionites Claim Paul Met Jesus in the Flesh?
Replies: 94
Views: 42391

Re: Did the Marcionites Claim Paul Met Jesus in the Flesh?

Is the above a dream or vision state? Did it happen?
by Clive
Sun May 15, 2016 2:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did the Marcionites Claim Paul Met Jesus in the Flesh?
Replies: 94
Views: 42391

Re: Did the Marcionites Claim Paul Met Jesus in the Flesh?

Big problem! It is a theological position to have seen the risen Jesus, therefore the one before death immediately follows. 24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he sai...
by Clive
Sun May 15, 2016 2:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and Christ
Replies: 40
Views: 21250

Re: Jesus and Christ

"Christianity in its origin was nothing else than a Jewish-Messianic movement ... the figure of Jesus had never existed, but represented a symbolization and personification of thoughts that could only make full headway in the second century. A gnostic messianic community later appeared alongsi...
by Clive
Sun May 15, 2016 2:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and Christ
Replies: 40
Views: 21250

Re: Jesus and Christ

ted space available to me in this journal does not permit an accurate account of all the shades of argumentation among the Radicals. Hence I'm limited to this more than rough draft. Those who are interested will find a full account in H. Detering's thesis which caused me to write down this summary....
by Clive
Sun May 15, 2016 2:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and Christ
Replies: 40
Views: 21250

Re: Jesus and Christ

Sounds like harrumph reactions - do not people realise they are emotionally committed to their perspectives and maybe should ask why they react as they do instead of thinking through arguments?