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- Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:39 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: APPENDIX CELSUS’S TESTIMONIALS from The Sources of Celsus’s Criticism of Jesus
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Re: APPENDIX CELSUS’S TESTIMONIALS from The Sources of Celsus’s Criticism of Jesus
163. (VII.58, 2-25) If Christians might indicate the command to love your enemy as well, then, says Celsus, that is a doctrine derived from Plato (Crito, 49 BC): [Ἔστιν αὐτοῖς καὶ τοιόνδε παράγγελμα, τὸν ὑβρίζοντα μὴ ἀμύνεσθαι· κἂν τύπτῃ, φησί, τὴν ἑτέραν γνάθον, σὺ δὲ καὶ τὴν ἄλλην πάρεχε. Ἀρχαῖον ...
- Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:38 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: APPENDIX CELSUS’S TESTIMONIALS from The Sources of Celsus’s Criticism of Jesus
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Re: APPENDIX CELSUS’S TESTIMONIALS from The Sources of Celsus’s Criticism of Jesus
125. (V.34, 14-16) Celsus on angels amid the Jews: [Ὁ δ’ Ἄμμων οὐδέν τι κακίων διαπρεσβεῦσαι τὰ δαιμόνια ἢ οἱ Ἰουδαίων ἄγγελοι·] Cf V.36, 15/16: οὐ κακίονα ἔφησεν εἶναι τὸν Ἄμμωνα πρὸς τὸ διαπρεσβεῦσαι τὰ δαιμόνια ἢ οἱ Ἰουδαίων ἄγγελοι. Tr. [Ammon is not any less competent at reporting the things of...
- Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:35 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: APPENDIX CELSUS’S TESTIMONIALS from The Sources of Celsus’s Criticism of Jesus
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Re: APPENDIX CELSUS’S TESTIMONIALS from The Sources of Celsus’s Criticism of Jesus
73. (II.48, 4-7) There is another possible answer to the question of test. 72: Καὶ νῦν δέ φησιν οἱονεὶ ἡμᾶς ἀποκρίνασθαι ὅτι [διὰ τοῦτ’ ἐνομίσαμεν αὐτὸν εἶναι υἱὸν θεοῦ, ἐπεὶ χωλοὺς καὶ τυφλοὺς ἐθεράπευσε.] Προστίθησι δὲ καὶ τό· [Ὡς ὑμεῖς φατε, ἀνίστη νεκρούς. l. 3 add Gl Ba Ch (a possible, but not ...
- Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:34 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: APPENDIX CELSUS’S TESTIMONIALS from The Sources of Celsus’s Criticism of Jesus
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APPENDIX CELSUS’S TESTIMONIALS from The Sources of Celsus’s Criticism of Jesus
APPENDIX CELSUS’S TESTIMONIALS from The Sources of Celsus’s Criticism of Jesus: Theological Developments in the Second Century AD" is a scholarly work by Egge Tijsseling, published in 2022 as part of the Contributions to Biblical Exegesis & Theology series (Volume 108) p. 251 - 336. Quoted ...
- Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:07 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Origen the "Two Books of Flavius Josephus Concerning the Antiquities of the Jews"
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Origen the "Two Books of Flavius Josephus Concerning the Antiquities of the Jews"
"And anyone who wishes, let him read the two books of Flavius Josephus concerning the antiquities of the Jews, so that he may understand how Moses was older than those who, over long periods of time, spoke of floods and conflagrations occurring in the world. Of these, Celsus says that the Jews ...
- Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:22 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Signs That Origen Was Reusing an Older (Lost) Version of an Anti-Celsus Treatise Possibly Written by Someone Else
- Replies: 35
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- Tue Dec 24, 2024 12:40 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Funniest (Unintentionally So) Line in the Whole Against Celsus
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Re: The Funniest (Unintentionally So) Line in the Whole Against Celsus
2.76 Celsus, in personifying the Jew, did not find it fitting to attribute such things to him in his argument. (Οὐχ εὗρε δ' ὁ Κέλσος προσωποποιῶν τὸν Ἰουδαῖον τοιαῦτα αὐτῷ περιθεῖναι ἐν τῷ λόγῳ,) Such as would not be brought forward to him from the legal and prophetic scriptures. (ὁποῖα οὐκ ἂν αὐτῷ...
- Tue Dec 24, 2024 12:09 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Signs That Origen Was Reusing an Older (Lost) Version of an Anti-Celsus Treatise Possibly Written by Someone Else
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Re: Signs That Origen Was Reusing an Older (Lost) Version of an Anti-Celsus Treatise Possibly Written by Someone Else
an example of a "Chrestos" reference? Ἐπεὶ δὲ μετὰ ταῦτα καὶ τὸ προφήταις χρῆσθαι Χριστιανοὺς προκηρύξασι τὰ περὶ Ἰησοῦ ὀνειδίζει ὁ παρὰ τῷ Κέλσῳ Ἰουδαῖος and before that: But even if, as Celsus claims, nothing painful or distressing happened to Jesus at that time, how could those who came...
- Tue Dec 24, 2024 11:22 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Signs That Origen Was Reusing an Older (Lost) Version of an Anti-Celsus Treatise Possibly Written by Someone Else
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Re: Signs That Origen Was Reusing an Older (Lost) Version of an Anti-Celsus Treatise Possibly Written by Someone Else
Or maybe the Jews name was Celsus.
- Tue Dec 24, 2024 11:18 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Signs That Origen Was Reusing an Older (Lost) Version of an Anti-Celsus Treatise Possibly Written by Someone Else
- Replies: 35
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Re: Signs That Origen Was Reusing an Older (Lost) Version of an Anti-Celsus Treatise Possibly Written by Someone Else
And another thing. Origen not mentioning the same of Celsus's Jew seems deliberate. There must have been a name. Was it Philo? Why not give the name? You could say Celsus forged the text in the name of so and so. He doesn't. There's a reason for the omission. Celsus mentions a name, Origen deliberat...