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In Syriac Pope = ܧܧܣ , ܒܐܧܐ There are two attested forms פאפי and פפי BT Sot 42b(26) בר מאה פאפי וחד־נאני the son of one hundred fathers and one mother. Let's look at פפי for a second. It is claimed that it was the name of an Amora: פפי pr. n. m. Pappi, 1) name of an Amora, son-in-law of E . Yitshak...

And look at Irenaeus's description of the gospel of Mark it seems overtly Platonic from the same material: Mark, on the other hand, commences with [a reference to] the prophetical spirit coming down from on high to men, saying, "The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as it is written in E...

So, according to Eusebius, there are extant five writings of Papias which are given the title of Exegesis of the Lies of the Lord. But this isn't what it seems either. If there was a Hebrew or Aramaic underpinning to the gospel of Papias what are the odds that this book was originally written in Gr...

The Apophthegmata Patrum (lit. Sayings of the Fathers)[1] (Latin: Apophthegmata Patrum Aegyptiorum Greek: ἀποφθέγματα τῶν ἁγίων γερόντων, ἀποφθέγματα τῶν πατέρων, τὸ γεροντικόν)[2] is the name given to various collections popularly known as of Sayings of the Desert Fathers, consisting of stories and...

So? How many volumes are there in the 'Teaching of the Desert Fathers' series?

And this name Παπίας finally deserves some attention. Was there really a man of this name or is it a collection of sayings ascribed to '(Church) fathers' = פאפי. In other words, when 'Papias' says that he preferred to hear the witnesses of Lord rather than books these people were likely called פאפי....

And you're only lying if you actually utter an untruth. You can't really catch Irenaeus saying that Papias's logia = Hebrew Matthew so he isn't lying.

I think the difficulty is that while we are after the truth 'the truth' inevitably comes to us indirectly. Take the example of Papias's testimony. Yes to be certain there is nothing in what we know of Papias's testimony which would support the logia being equated with Irenaeus's Hebrew Matthew - dir...

And couple that with the moving the stones of a mosaic allegory (Adv Haer 1.8) and it's case closed. Got to coach ...

None that I know of state or imply that Mark copied Matthew or vice versa. Irenaeus is a tricky fox. He claims to be Polycarp's devoted student even though he is forced to admit his archnemesis Florinus knew him better. I don't think we should just look for confessions on Irenaeus's part. He used P...