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Well on one level Irenaeus gives this supernatural argument later in Book Three with the four winds and Four Tops and all that. But that wouldn't have convinced anyone in antiquity. Literary criticism was developed sufficiently in antiquity to make it absolutely certain that contemporaries would hav...

And if I may continue our original discussion here rather than there, I think you are only seeing one tradition emerging from Papias-Irenaeus. But I think that is an error. There is Papias's original claims (let's call them X) and then there is Irenaeus's development of that original statement into ...

From Schoedel: the point that is debated more than any other is what Papias had in mind when he said that Mark did not write "in order." It is perhaps most likely that Papias was measuring Mark by Matthew (who is said by Papias to have made "an ordered arrangement" of the materia...

Where do Papias and Irenaeus assert that Mark used a Hebrew original of Matthew? Loosely reinterpreted. Irenaeus says that Matthew's gospel was first written in Hebrew and he got that information from Papias and Papias says that Mark had the same stories as the/that Hebrew gospel ('that' if you bel...

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I have problems with this claim as the Israelites walked around with Joseph's body carrying it from Egypt to Gerizim. That's a long time to remain unburied. The description in the gospel is not very 'Jewish.' This is what happens to the Samaritans when they die: When a person is close to death, Deut...

The facts are that people in antiquity (Papias, Irenaeus) saw Mark as using a Hebrew original of Matthew. This tradition assumes that we are one step removed from the ur-text behind all gospels. This isn't definitive either. But there is no reason to discount the possibility that Mark or someone els...

were (or had been) known within the Markan community, when it was not the case in the ones of Luke & Matthew. But that's a 'hindsight is 20/20 argument.' Because this passage is not in Matthew and Luke you say 'therefore' Mark knew them and Luke and Matthew didn't. But Luke and Matthew kept ref...

I will once again advance my nihilistic POV. The demand to 'make sense' of a given passage inevitably leads to uncertain arguments but in the egoism inherent in defending a position - a position which originally began as a 'maybe' against someone else's uncertain guesswork certainty emerges (psychol...

But the actual sacrifice happens before the 15th of Nisan - it is the evening before: An important place in the liturgy of Passover is occupied by the reading of the biblical passages that deal with the sacrifice. These readings and the prayers are led by the high priest. The act of slaughtering tak...