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by Giuseppe
Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A partial analogy for my best mythicist scenario?
Replies: 46
Views: 25278

Re: A partial analogy for my best mythicist scenario?

Maybe in the original myth the mission of Jesus was to be cursed in the eyes of God by Roman crucifixion on terra firma as a vulgar criminal. But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is wr...
by Giuseppe
Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A partial analogy for my best mythicist scenario?
Replies: 46
Views: 25278

Re: A partial analogy for my best mythicist scenario?

What I like very much about the hypothesis of (very genial ) Roger Parvus (but totally beyond his speculation about Isaiah, Simon Magus, etc.) is the crucifixion of the mythological Jesus as a mock Zealot (in the original myth). Somehow, dying as an apparent - and only apparent - Zealot, Jesus cruci...
by Giuseppe
Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A partial analogy for my best mythicist scenario?
Replies: 46
Views: 25278

Re: A partial analogy for my best mythicist scenario?

What favors a terrestrial scenario for mythical Jesus'death is also the deep pessimism nourished by Paul regarding the Earth (in the eyes of Prof. Hyam Maccoby, this pessimism anti-Earth alone was enough to make Paul a 'heretic' and a non-Jew in the eyes of other 'normal' Jews, even if Paul had not ...
by Giuseppe
Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A partial analogy for my best mythicist scenario?
Replies: 46
Views: 25278

Re: A partial analogy for my best mythicist scenario?

I would reproach to Peter for not having mentioned - in addition to raising the possibility of anti-marcionite interpolation as a reason to doubt - in his The best Case for Jesus the splendid case made by Carrier (against the historicist interpretation of Galatians 1:19), because in my opinion Richa...
by Giuseppe
Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A partial analogy for my best mythicist scenario?
Replies: 46
Views: 25278

Re: A partial analogy for my best mythicist scenario?

though I am starting to suspect that he has tried to hijack Doherty!
This is true only for 9/10 of OHJ. Because about ''the brother of Lord'' case I recognize frankly that Carrier has done decisively better than Doherty. And excuse me if this is few. . . :wtf:
by Giuseppe
Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A partial analogy for my best mythicist scenario?
Replies: 46
Views: 25278

Re: A partial analogy for my best mythicist scenario?

I would like to advance an audacious hypothesis, but which I do not believe it myself.

What if the concept of ''Antichrist'' came to represent originally precisely the mythical Jesus of those Christians who refused to believe in a just recent Gospel Jesus put in a historical context?
by Giuseppe
Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A partial analogy for my best mythicist scenario?
Replies: 46
Views: 25278

Re: A partial analogy for my best mythicist scenario?

Thanks for this post, Ben, very suggestive.

What do you think about the link Antichrist=the false Messiah Simon Bar Kochba ?

If the origin of AntiChrist Myth comes back to Christian image of Bar Kochba, this would have some effects on your thesis above?
by Giuseppe
Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Recent books & articles about Marcion
Replies: 15
Views: 19583

Re: Recent books & articles about Marcion

I should clear a point about Marcion that forces me to resize relatively his historical importance (denying everything I have said in my previous posts :D ). According to prof Klinghardt, the gospel’s origin has nothing to do with Marcion at all; it was only received and read by Marcion and the Marc...
by Giuseppe
Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why a seditious Jesus in our Gospels?
Replies: 2
Views: 2889

Why a seditious Jesus in our Gospels?

Problem: in Mcn , the 12 disciples are symbols of who ? My Answer: generic militant messianists. Note that if this answer is true, this means the before Marcionites there was no form of Christianity. My Proof: So Prof Bermejo Rubio: Objection 8: Jesus’ disciples had no relationship with Zealotism I...
by Giuseppe
Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul's Letters: Did someone insert Christ into them later?
Replies: 14
Views: 16539

Re: Paul's Letters: Did someone insert Christ into them late

Suggestive, but Occam prohibits in favor of more simple explanation. The need for an apostle last of all (= Paul) who becomes via special grace the first of all arises only when someone is already insisting that another apostle (=Peter) came before everyone else. And the need for an apostle ''that c...