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by Giuseppe
Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who is My mother and my brethren?
Replies: 35
Views: 26776

Re: Who is My mother and my brethren?

Richard replied about a question on Mcn priority. All too complicated. But I suspect this would cast into doubt historicity even more, or at least as much, because then you have a very late date for the first Gospel, from a far more obvious Joseph-Smith-style fabricator. http://freethoughtblogs.com/...
by Giuseppe
Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gal 1:19 interpolation
Replies: 22
Views: 22134

Re: Gal 1:19 interpolation

@Bernard >> Paul mentioned the Church of Jerusalem and members several times ( 1 Cor 16:1,3; 2 Cor 8:4, 13-15; 9:1, 12-15; Ga l2:1-10; Ro 15:25-26, 31 ) and acknowledged them as "saints" (1 Cor 16:1; 2 Cor 8:4; 9:1, 12; Ro 15:25, 26, 31). But despite these many opportunities in his epistle...
by Giuseppe
Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gal 1:19 interpolation
Replies: 22
Views: 22134

Re: Gal 1:19 interpolation

In my reading of Carrier's thesis on this, I believe he is saying that the James in Gal. 1:19 is not the same James as the head of the Jerusalem church, but I could be mistaken about that. Carrier concedes that possibility when he says that in that case the James of 1:19 is ''son of Zebedee'' there...
by Giuseppe
Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gal 1:19 interpolation
Replies: 22
Views: 22134

Re: Gal 1:19 interpolation

but a prince among men is, in fact, a man but not a historical man, even if he had only the appearance of one ( via Philippians 2:6-11). @Bernard Despite many opportunities in his epistles , Paul never said those were "in the Lord", or "in Christ", or just "brothers". ...
by Giuseppe
Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gal 1:19 interpolation
Replies: 22
Views: 22134

Re: Gal 1:19 interpolation

judge for yourself: http://s23.postimg.org/kjhdoqf0b/fratello2.png http://s18.postimg.org/ljuxkqcqx/fratello3.png Not one time in all of Paul's letters does he ever say or even imply that this phrase means only biological brothers. (Richard Carrier, On the Historicity of Jesus , p. 585) What I am sa...
by Giuseppe
Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gal 1:19 interpolation
Replies: 22
Views: 22134

Re: Gal 1:19 interpolation

thank you for the clarity of your comments, suggestions and depth of the linked topics. But you forgot the biggest problem, and the most tormenting, in my eyes: if Paul believed in the God of the Jews, why his best preserver and ensign - that is Marcion - was an enemy of the god Creator? This is som...
by Giuseppe
Sat Jul 04, 2015 1:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gal 1:19 interpolation
Replies: 22
Views: 22134

Re: Gal 1:19 interpolation

Note that the pattern is repeated with the all too obvious anti-marcionite interpolation of Galatians 4: 4 born of woman, born under the law If the Catholic forger in this case wanted to react against Marcion and the marcionites - because it is a FACT that that's what he was doing writing those word...
by Giuseppe
Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gal 1:19 interpolation
Replies: 22
Views: 22134

Gal 1:19 interpolation

Assuming the priority of Marcion's Evangelion , it becomes more probable that Gal 1:19 is a late interpolation. Richard Carrier is right when he says that, alone, ''brother of the Lord'' is not evidence of James being physical brother of Jesus because there is no way to overcome the ambiguity of the...
by Giuseppe
Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who was the governor most cruel?
Replies: 1
Views: 1944

Re: Who was the governor most cruel?

I read: When you take the whole of Josephus‘ work, and look at history portraying him as a leader in The Jewish Revolt, one cannot help but speculate that his chief aim is to paint Rome negatively in order to facilitate a large-scale rebellion source: https://www.academia.edu/9051617/Pilate_Weak_and...
by Giuseppe
Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who was the governor most cruel?
Replies: 1
Views: 1944

Who was the governor most cruel?

A question to the experts in the forum.

Who was the Roman governor most ruthless and bloodthirsty of the first two centuries CE, in Judea?

Pilate?

There was no more tyrannical than him?

it is certain?

Very thanks.