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by Giuseppe
Sat Jan 04, 2025 11:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Schmidt on the Testimonium Flavianum
Replies: 55
Views: 8987

Re: Schmidt on the Testimonium Flavianum

According to Schmidt (cf. my previous post), the following rows of the TF would be Christian propaganda reported by Josephus: He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him That would be plausible, o...
by Giuseppe
Sat Jan 04, 2025 12:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Schmidt on the Testimonium Flavianum
Replies: 55
Views: 8987

Re: Schmidt on the Testimonium Flavianum

In my opinion the major challenges for Schmidt come probably from the difficulty in paganizing the part in red: About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gla...
by Giuseppe
Sat Jan 04, 2025 12:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Schmidt on the Testimonium Flavianum
Replies: 55
Views: 8987

Re: Schmidt on the Testimonium Flavianum

(If anyone thinks they speak favorably or even neutrally about Jesus' wonder-working, please post the references). at the moment I can only quote Hierocles given the few quotes I can derive from him: “affirmed that Christ Himself was put to flight by the Jews , and having collected a band of nine h...
by Giuseppe
Sat Jan 04, 2025 10:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Schmidt on the Testimonium Flavianum
Replies: 55
Views: 8987

Re: Schmidt on the Testimonium Flavianum

What is a Pagan phrase, how are they to be identified, and which elements of the Testimonium should be identified as such? The following Schmidt's claim (cf. the first post of this thread) may give a remote clue (by now) of what is a Pagan phrase: This paper argues however that similar claims about...
by Giuseppe
Sat Jan 04, 2025 9:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Schmidt on the Testimonium Flavianum
Replies: 55
Views: 8987

Re: Schmidt on the Testimonium Flavianum

I am not offering a reconstruction of the Testimonium, but an explanation of the text as it stands without need to make any changes in the wording. in this case, my question would stand still as I had raised before, only replacing "reconstruction" with "reading". Since it seems ...
by Giuseppe
Sat Jan 04, 2025 8:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Schmidt on the Testimonium Flavianum
Replies: 55
Views: 8987

Re: Schmidt on the Testimonium Flavianum

There is meaning in the words "he was the Christ" that cannot be erased in the mind of the Jewish author if the minimal concession you would give to Schmidt is a corruption from the original "he was called Christ " to the current "he was the Christ ", ceteris paribus ,...
by Giuseppe
Sat Jan 04, 2025 6:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mythicism == beginning in visions
Replies: 1
Views: 386

Re: Mythicism == beginning in visions

I have to remember the following Roger Parvus 's quote because it nails the problem even better ( only replace "Simonian" with "Marcionite" and the his post would be perfectly in line with recent findings ): Hi Giuseppe, If there was a historical Simon Magus, no, I don’t think he...
by Giuseppe
Sat Jan 04, 2025 6:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 'The Letters of Paul in their Roman Literary Context: Reassessing Apostolic Authorship'
Replies: 202
Views: 21602

Re: 'The Letters of Paul in their Roman Literary Context: Reassessing Apostolic Authorship'

Leeman , A. D. “The Epistolary Form of Sen. Ep. 102.” Mnemosyne, vol. 4, no. 2, 1951 , pp. 175–81. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/4427297. Accessed 4 Jan. 2025. Some quotes about Lucilius as a fictional character, my bold: Was the letter of Lucilius, alluded to in Ep. 102, actually written, and...
by Giuseppe
Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mythicism == beginning in visions
Replies: 1
Views: 386

Mythicism == beginning in visions

So Carrier : If it is true that Christianity began in visions (whereby Jesus was analogous to Moroni and Peter to Joseph Smith and Paul to Brigham Young), then the entire field is wasting gobs of money and time on futile endeavors and should redirect its energies. Not only is this a substantial poin...
by Giuseppe
Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 'The Letters of Paul in their Roman Literary Context: Reassessing Apostolic Authorship'
Replies: 202
Views: 21602

Re: 'The Letters of Paul in their Roman Literary Context: Reassessing Apostolic Authorship'

Leeman, A. D . “Seneca’s Plans for a Work ‘Moralis Philosophia’ and Their Influence on His Later Epistles.” Mnemosyne, vol. 6, no. 4, 1953 , pp. 307–13. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/4427544. Accessed 3 Jan. 2025, some quotes, my bold: As I have stated in a previous article on the epistolary f...