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by davidbrainerd
Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The restoration of the disciples in Mark.
Replies: 66
Views: 44460

Re: The restoration of the disciples in Mark.

I am not sure what to make of this reference in Origen's Against Celsus but it might be the earliest (albeit indirect) evidence of the short ending of Mark: And besides this, one may well wonder how it happened that the disciples— if, as the calumniators of Jesus say, they did not see Him after His...
by davidbrainerd
Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul --- The Wrath to Come
Replies: 25
Views: 18393

Re: Paul --- The Wrath to Come

Some would argue that 1 Thessalonians preceded Galatians, so Paul was still fine with cooperating with the Judean churches and the Jerusalem church, finding it counterproductive to do so only after the fallout described in Galatians. (I have no horse in this race; I am just passing on a reconstruct...
by davidbrainerd
Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mummy Mask Manuscript Might Mean More Metaphorical Mark?
Replies: 46
Views: 31628

Re: Mummy Mask Manuscript Might Mean More Metaphorical Mark?

Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote:
lsayre wrote:When will the text of 'Mark on a Mask' be published? Has any of it been published yet?
It was claimed first that it would be published in 2013 by Brill, than in 2015, than in 2017
Maybe they found out its not as easy to forge as they thought it would be.
by davidbrainerd
Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul --- The Wrath to Come
Replies: 25
Views: 18393

Re: Paul --- The Wrath to Come

I don't believe things are as simple as that. 1 Thess 2:16 does not speak of the wrath to come, but about God's wrath which has already come. 1 Thess 2:14-16 is a post-70 interpolation, in contradiction with the future wrath which Paul frequently mentions in his original pre-70 writings (see the OP...
by davidbrainerd
Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul --- The Wrath to Come
Replies: 25
Views: 18393

Re: Paul --- The Wrath to Come

I thought that the Marcionite God of Paul was not a god of wrath. Would the God of wrath in Paul's letters be the God of the OT? Could be. They are presumably OT references. Jesus is not mentioned as being the executioner of the wrath....except the one below: Or might Pauline references to wrath be...
by davidbrainerd
Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mummy Mask Manuscript Might Mean More Metaphorical Mark?
Replies: 46
Views: 31628

Re: Mummy Mask Manuscript Might Mean More Metaphorical Mark?

What if the mummy mask fragment of Mark contains no date marker info in the text (no mention of Pilate or other rulers) and the fragment was dated to the time of Alexander Jannaeus (circa 80 BC instead of 80 AD)? Then it would be like finding a fragment of Lincoln's Gettysburg Address dated to the ...
by davidbrainerd
Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul --- The Wrath to Come
Replies: 25
Views: 18393

Re: Paul --- The Wrath to Come

What is conspicuously missing in Paul is wrath after death or resurrection to face wrath. It appears the wrath is only for unbelievers who are alive and remain at the 'second coming' (or whatever else you might want to call it).
by davidbrainerd
Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mummy Mask Manuscript Might Mean More Metaphorical Mark?
Replies: 46
Views: 31628

Re: Mummy Mask Manuscript Might Mean More Metaphorical Mark?

What if the mummy mask fragment of Mark contains no date marker info in the text (no mention of Pilate or other rulers) and the fragment was dated to the time of Alexander Jannaeus (circa 80 BC instead of 80 AD)? Then it would confirm the Talmud in having Jesus live at that time, circa 100 years bef...
by davidbrainerd
Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mummy Mask Manuscript Might Mean More Metaphorical Mark?
Replies: 46
Views: 31628

Re: Mummy Mask Manuscript Might Mean More Metaphorical Mark?

Definitely. No one ever attacked the celestial Jesus because that was not the context Paul was selling. Paul sold a dead guy who was in heaven who was resurrected to clean up human sin, IMHO When did he die, and when was he resurrected? Did he live (spend time) on earth after his resurrection? Was ...
by davidbrainerd
Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mummy Mask Manuscript Might Mean More Metaphorical Mark?
Replies: 46
Views: 31628

Re: Mummy Mask Manuscript Might Mean More Metaphorical Mark?

The date is worthless unless there are clear external factors (a shopping list in the mask from 80 AD, an edict that eliminated new mummy masks at 90 AD). We know that terminus ad quem dates for manuscripts are notoriously unreliable. Think the papers of Brent Nongbri, think Codex Sinaiticus. Basic...