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- Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:19 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Two Powers in Heaven
- Replies: 120
- Views: 49966
Re: Two Powers in Heaven
The difference between actual scholarship and 'personal opinion' is to what a degree one embraces information that is contradictory to the simple caricature - "Admittedly, when [the Marcionite] Megethius cites Psalm 2 and Daniel 2.34–5 to demonstrate that 'the Christ through the law and prophe...
- Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:30 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 -- Jesus as Archangel
- Replies: 13
- Views: 8232
Re: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 -- Jesus as Archangel
Did Paul invent and construct the Greek compound term ἀρχαγγέλου --- archangel? . NO. used only twice, there and in Jude, Some interpreters understand this reference to be an allusion to the events described in Zechariah 3:1-2 So we have evidence of even later Christian traditions plagiarizing OT t...
- Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:36 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Two Powers in Heaven
- Replies: 120
- Views: 49966
Re: Two Powers in Heaven
But the Marcionites used Daniel and Theodotion the translator of Daniel was a Marcionite. Lol. Where did you get that idea? You can't be interested in Daniel and not care about the destruction of the Jewish religion. Per Tertullian, Marcion saw the Jewish religion as still valid not destroyed, and ...
- Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:27 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Two Powers in Heaven
- Replies: 120
- Views: 49966
Re: Two Powers in Heaven
Christianity was monarchianized by introducing Daniel, general resurrection, and hell, and the "son of man" nonsense was just a way of explaining away Christianity's earlier two god dualism like we find in 2 Cor 4. How is this 'interesting'? The universal proof text for a heavenly Son of ...
- Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:09 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 -- Jesus as Archangel
- Replies: 13
- Views: 8232
Re: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 -- Jesus as Archangel
Now that I really think about it, rather than viewing 1st Thes as a forgery in Paul's name as I have been viewing it, I need only recognize that the latter part of verse 16 is all that's necessary for 1st Thes 4:13-18 to work. The unPauline bit that contradicts Romans 5 and 1st Cor 15 by bringing in...
- Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:27 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 -- Jesus as Archangel
- Replies: 13
- Views: 8232
Re: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 -- Jesus as Archangel
In earlier Pauline theology, like Romans 5 and 1 Cor 15, Jesus established a resurrection that the OT failed to establish. And Jesus himself was to raise the believers at his return. In 1 Thes 4, the resurrection was established by the book of Daniel. To harmonize the new book of Daniel view with or...
- Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:15 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Two Powers Tradition and the question of historicity
- Replies: 78
- Views: 31162
Re: Two Powers Tradition and the question of historicity
That a complementary-2-powers-heretic would write a pseudo-historical novel of a man being the younger Yahweh is infinitely more plausible than that a complementary-2-powers-heretic would identify a vanilla rabbi as the younger Yahweh.
- Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:05 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Two Powers Tradition and the question of historicity
- Replies: 78
- Views: 31162
Re: Two Powers Tradition and the question of historicity
PLEASE Assume as hypothesis in this thread that, even before the birth of Christianity, the Jews believed in two YHWHs: an invisible YHWH and a visible YHWH (the same Angel of Lord of Exodus 23 etc). Does this support more mythicism or historicity? Mythicism, obviously. The only reason Stephan can'...
- Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:24 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why did no New Testament books mention AD70?
- Replies: 64
- Views: 37793
Re: Why did no New Testament books mention AD70?
Whether it affects theology proper or not it affects polemics against Judaism. Christian to a Jew: "Where's your sacrifice? You can't sacrifice without the temple. And you can't be saved without a sacrifice. So you better accept Jesus." Am I mis-remembering or doesn't Justin use that argum...
- Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:57 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Simcha and Tabor idiots.
- Replies: 29
- Views: 14392
Re: Simcha and Tabor idiots.
And I was getting tired of the familiar whack jobs at the forum. Now I found a new flavor of crazy. This place is like the Baskin-Robbins of nut jobs. At what point in your intellectual development did you discover that it was fun to posit uninformed opinions as "facts"? If that was direc...