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by davidbrainerd
Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Two Powers in Heaven
Replies: 120
Views: 49966

Re: Two Powers in Heaven

The difference between actual scholarship and 'personal opinion' is to what a degree one embraces information that is contradictory to the simple caricature - "Admittedly, when [the Marcionite] Megethius cites Psalm 2 and Daniel 2.34–5 to demonstrate that 'the Christ through the law and prophe...
by davidbrainerd
Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 -- Jesus as Archangel
Replies: 13
Views: 8232

Re: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 -- Jesus as Archangel

Did Paul invent and construct the Greek compound term ἀρχαγγέλου --- archangel? . NO. used only twice, there and in Jude, Some interpreters understand this reference to be an allusion to the events described in Zechariah 3:1-2 So we have evidence of even later Christian traditions plagiarizing OT t...
by davidbrainerd
Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Two Powers in Heaven
Replies: 120
Views: 49966

Re: Two Powers in Heaven

But the Marcionites used Daniel and Theodotion the translator of Daniel was a Marcionite. Lol. Where did you get that idea? You can't be interested in Daniel and not care about the destruction of the Jewish religion. Per Tertullian, Marcion saw the Jewish religion as still valid not destroyed, and ...
by davidbrainerd
Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Two Powers in Heaven
Replies: 120
Views: 49966

Re: Two Powers in Heaven

Christianity was monarchianized by introducing Daniel, general resurrection, and hell, and the "son of man" nonsense was just a way of explaining away Christianity's earlier two god dualism like we find in 2 Cor 4. How is this 'interesting'? The universal proof text for a heavenly Son of ...
by davidbrainerd
Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 -- Jesus as Archangel
Replies: 13
Views: 8232

Re: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 -- Jesus as Archangel

Now that I really think about it, rather than viewing 1st Thes as a forgery in Paul's name as I have been viewing it, I need only recognize that the latter part of verse 16 is all that's necessary for 1st Thes 4:13-18 to work. The unPauline bit that contradicts Romans 5 and 1st Cor 15 by bringing in...
by davidbrainerd
Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 -- Jesus as Archangel
Replies: 13
Views: 8232

Re: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 -- Jesus as Archangel

In earlier Pauline theology, like Romans 5 and 1 Cor 15, Jesus established a resurrection that the OT failed to establish. And Jesus himself was to raise the believers at his return. In 1 Thes 4, the resurrection was established by the book of Daniel. To harmonize the new book of Daniel view with or...
by davidbrainerd
Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Two Powers Tradition and the question of historicity
Replies: 78
Views: 31162

Re: Two Powers Tradition and the question of historicity

That a complementary-2-powers-heretic would write a pseudo-historical novel of a man being the younger Yahweh is infinitely more plausible than that a complementary-2-powers-heretic would identify a vanilla rabbi as the younger Yahweh.
by davidbrainerd
Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Two Powers Tradition and the question of historicity
Replies: 78
Views: 31162

Re: Two Powers Tradition and the question of historicity

PLEASE Assume as hypothesis in this thread that, even before the birth of Christianity, the Jews believed in two YHWHs: an invisible YHWH and a visible YHWH (the same Angel of Lord of Exodus 23 etc). Does this support more mythicism or historicity? Mythicism, obviously. The only reason Stephan can'...
by davidbrainerd
Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did no New Testament books mention AD70?
Replies: 64
Views: 37793

Re: Why did no New Testament books mention AD70?

Whether it affects theology proper or not it affects polemics against Judaism. Christian to a Jew: "Where's your sacrifice? You can't sacrifice without the temple. And you can't be saved without a sacrifice. So you better accept Jesus." Am I mis-remembering or doesn't Justin use that argum...
by davidbrainerd
Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Simcha and Tabor idiots.
Replies: 29
Views: 14392

Re: Simcha and Tabor idiots.

And I was getting tired of the familiar whack jobs at the forum. Now I found a new flavor of crazy. This place is like the Baskin-Robbins of nut jobs. At what point in your intellectual development did you discover that it was fun to posit uninformed opinions as "facts"? If that was direc...