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I think it is reasonable to suggest that as Irenaeus is the first person to cite our gospel of John (i.e. one which had a multi-year ministry and which had no connection or little explicit resemblance to the synoptics) that he edited the Gospel of John Even if he is the first to quote the orthodoxi...

But let's get back to the main point ... you haven't read Irenaeus. I mean ACTUALLY READ 'Against Heresies.' Don't you think that might be a SLIGHT CHALLENGE to your ability to ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IRENAEUS MEANS, THINKS or SAYS. Maybe? Just maybe a little ... So you're saying reading the first...

Or like a Muslim attacking Christianity in youtube comments who at one point will argue Jesus wasn't crucifed but at another point Jesus was a pansy for letting himself be crucified. I am not sure that I can follow you here either. I don't think you have read any Patristic literature. This is a pro...

Nope. He says in the passage about Jesus' age that he got his information about Jesus' age from the Gospels. Exactly a gospel or a passage unknown to his opponents. Incidentally, and wholly outside the present discussion (which is itself wholly outside the OP) but Irenaeus's opponents likely only u...

The clues that he doesn't really believe it. (1) he explicitely states 30 is the age of a master only to then argue that Jesus had to be 50 to be a master. Its a Freudian slip. (2) he admits its all just theologically driven not historical: His Jesus had to go through every age, at least when he's o...

Well thanks for that illuminating 'meeting of the minds' here at the forum but clearly Irenaeus takes the passage to confirm that Jesus was the age of a magister and that's all that matters when having this discussion. Irenaeus thinks that Jesus was 49 when crucified. He does not really believe it....

If Jesus was born at the same time the gospels claim, but lived longer, so what, its a total snore. I don't think its at all possible, but its also utterly boring to me. The out there theory I find more interesting is that he lived earlier. For example the Talmud places him in the time of Alexander ...

Saying "not yet 50" if he is 30 years old sounded silly to me, but that's how it works. To me it seems perfectly natural. The "You're not yet X so what do you know, whippersnapper?" argument puts your own latest mile marker in X. When I was in my 20s teenagers knew nothing becau...

4. Being thirty years old when He came to be baptized, and then possessing the full age of a Master,(5) He came to Jerusalem, so that He might be properly acknowledged(6) by all as a Master. You told me before that I couldn't read because I said 30 is the age of a magister. Yet from what you quoted...

Stuart wrote:Detering recently wrote a book on how the writings of Augustine are from a later era and not his.

What is the name of that book? That sounds interesting. [Found it, O du lieber Augustin: Falsche Bekenntnisse?)