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So Tertullian added that. ... Tertullian added things to Irenaeus's fucking original text. Which is precisely what you've been arguining AGAINST up to this point. You said Tertullian verbatim copied texts from Irenaeus. You even said Tertullian = Irenaeus. But do we know whether he used Adversus Ha...

I had this same suspicion or thought when I saw Tertullian's name. In the early twentieth century there was actually a controversy about whether Florinus was in fact Florens Tertullianus of Carthage. See A. Baumstark, "Die Baumstark, A.: "Die Lehre des romischen Presbyter Florinus." ...

Tert's theory of souls being formed by pieces of the parents souls breaking off and merging shows an jnterest in "science" wholly alien to Justin, so no.

My complaint is really about Tert's death-bed conversion claim. Tert's "prescription against heretics" is heavily based on Irenaeus, yet Irenaeus doesn't make this claim. Its obvious Tert made it up, despite most of the rest of what he says coming straight from Irenaeus (except of course h...

This is the exact parallel to your Irenaeus and Tertullian speculation. Why don't you look and compare Irenaeus's testimony on the Valentinians http://gnosis.org/library/advh1.htm and Tertullian's Against the Valentinians http://www.tertullian.org/articles/riley_adv_val/riley_04_commentary.htm and ...

And we might want to also consider that this pattern of appropriation/forgery extends to the gospels. If you were to make the same kind of argument with the gospels as you do with Irenaeus and Tertullian, it would go like this: (1) Luke is derived from Mark. (2) Therefore, Luke didn't write Luke; M...

David whatever his name is was claiming that it was 'unlikely' or 'unproven' that Tertullian's Prescription was a recycling of Irenaeus's treatise of the same name. Its a recycling in the same way a scholarly book is a recycling (when the footnotes and references to names are missing). Imagine the ...

The work is obviously derived from Irenaeus down to the viva voce reference and the pattern of Tertullian copying out Greek texts into Latin and passing them off as his own (as listed above). The language too 'the rule of faith' is an Irenaeanism. Derived from is still not by. So you can't take eve...

You just confused yourself by attributing a work of Tertullian to Irenaeus and then went over the deep end because Irenaeus and Tertullian disagree on something.

We know that early Christians could describe the cross as a tree or as wood: Galatians 3.13: 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us -- for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree [ξύλου]." JW : I have faith that it is the other way aro...