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- Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:28 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was the Gospel according to the Hebrews (GHeb) composed during a famine?
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Re: Was the Gospel according to the Hebrews (GHeb) composed during a famine?
I think you may be right that Celsus has a written source he's using, rather than a person he's interacting with or has invented. On further reflection, the critique from Origen doesn't make sense: And since, in imitation of a rhetorician training a pupil, he introduces a Jew, who enters into a pers...
- Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:26 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was the Gospel according to the Hebrews (GHeb) composed during a famine?
- Replies: 33
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Re: Was the Gospel according to the Hebrews (GHeb) composed during a famine?
This is fascinating and I think there is considerable mileage in the theory you propose. How would you determine whether Celsus was interacting with a Jew who had read GHeb (and thus influenced by it), or whether the Jew was an invention, as Orgien seems to suggest? And since, in imitation of a rhet...
- Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:09 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was the Gospel according to the Hebrews (GHeb) composed during a famine?
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Re: Was the Gospel according to the Hebrews (GHeb) composed during a historical famine?
Thanks for this. I'll need to read Contra Celsus to be sure, but it looks like the objection being made by the Jew is that the Messiah was predicted to be a mighty warrior: the prophets declare the coming one to be a mighty potentate, Lord of all nations and armies And the ὄλεθρον spoken of here is ...
- Sat Dec 17, 2022 1:58 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was the Gospel according to the Hebrews (GHeb) composed during a famine?
- Replies: 33
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Re: Was the Gospel according to the Hebrews (GHeb) composed during a historical famine?
Maybe worth consulting: Origen : new fragments from the commentary on Matthew : Codices Sabaiticus 232 & Holy Cross 104, Jerusalem Panayiotis Tzamalikos. Paderborn : Ferdinand Schöningh, an imprint of the Brill Group, [2020] [ is pseudo-Origen the way to see the Latin trans., or was there inter...
- Sat Dec 17, 2022 1:54 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was the Gospel according to the Hebrews (GHeb) composed during a famine?
- Replies: 33
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Re: Was the Gospel according to the Hebrews (GHeb) composed during a historical famine?
But why assume that the text was written during a famine rather than by a person who knew what people did during famines? And which famine would you link this text to? The main basis for this is that we don't find the same saying (or an equivalent) in the canonical gospels, which are typically thou...
- Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:27 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was the Gospel according to the Hebrews (GHeb) composed during a famine?
- Replies: 33
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Was the Gospel according to the Hebrews (GHeb) composed during a famine?
I would welcome critical feedback on my proposal that the Gospel according to the Hebrews (herein: GHeb) was composed during a historical famine. Before I present my argument, I provide some important background information. Overview of GHeb GHeb is a lost work that exists only in patristic fragment...
- Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:19 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The closing chapters of 1 Clement
- Replies: 33
- Views: 36768
Re: The closing chapters of 1 Clement
The translator of the 1867 translation (ch 58 & 59 in ANF vol. 1) had a ms (A) that he knew had a lacunae (a break in sense that suggests that some text had been lost of omitted) at the end of ch 57. The translator of 1896, using the newly discovered fuller ms (I) which had additional text betw...
- Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:14 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The closing chapters of 1 Clement
- Replies: 33
- Views: 36768
Re: The closing chapters of 1 Clement
Thanks very much for this insight DCH - really appreciated.
- Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:17 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The closing chapters of 1 Clement
- Replies: 33
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The closing chapters of 1 Clement
Hi all, I notice that the Roberts-Donaldson translation of 1 Clement (found on EarlyChristianWritings.com ) concludes at chapter 59, whereas Lightfoot and Hoole's goes all the way to chapter 65. I think I recall reading somewhere that some have proposed the final 5 chapters are a later interpolation...
- Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:52 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Need help finding a list of early Smyrna Bishops
- Replies: 38
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Re: Need help finding a list of early Smyrna Bishops
"The plural 'apostles' is curious too. Who else could Polycarp have met?" I understand Paul describes certain people who weren't disciples of Jesus as Apostles such as James (Jesus' brother) and Priscilla and Aquilla, so perhaps the office of Apostle continued to occupied at the end of the...