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Which 2nd century christians is he allegedly associated with? But he's also written very recent scriptural texts for them (the same christians?) My own opinion is that he was associated with the proto-Nazarenes. Parvus believes/believed that it was the Apellean Christians, and Detering believed tha...

I agree that Peregrinus is a basically historical figure. What is less clear is whether there is any historical basis for the claim by Lucian that Peregrinus was at one time associated with Christians. Lucian may wish to represent Peregrinus as wandering from one weird cult to another whether or no...

Aulus Gellius actually knew and conversed with Peregrinus while he was in Athens. That alone--unless you want to say Aulus Gellius's book is a forgery--is proof against your claim that Peregrinus is a fiction. Athenagoras isn't relying on Lucian, and writes that there ware statues of Peregrinus at P...

Peregrinus is witnessed by Aulus Gellius, and Tatian and Athenagoras write about him as well.


Oh I know. All of these are just forged writings from the third and fourth centuries.

Whatever you say, jefe.

Stuart wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:47 pm Joseph,

I see no kernel, rather some common tropes with popular stories of the day.

Can you give some examples?

Peregrinus Proteus is a fiction build from fictions.

Lucian's account is satire so to take it at face value is ridicules. Peregrinus himself is not a fiction.

Not coincidentially, Peregrinus - docet Detering - is another name for the true author behind Galatians, according to Stuart: Marcion . I think that it would be interesting and instructive, for you Joseph D.L., to know why Marcion was called Peregrinus Why should I care what Detering thinks? I don'...

Basically all of that, Stuart, but I tend to see in the confrontation a kernel of history. Peregrinus was excommunicated by the Community (Jewish in their stance on dietary habits) for eating unkoshar meat offered to a pagan god.

issemm wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:02 am Does that mean A is close to the answer?

Your two points seem more like tautologies than an either/or proposition. One can easily follow the other and both seem to sum up the passage.

Giuseppe wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:11 pm

Joseph D. L. wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:51 pm John the Baptist

oh yes, I'll take care of John afterwards. You can swear it.

lol